Knife Master warpriest - warpriest being a warrior class an oversight or legit?

[mudakonn]

I did not realize that warpriest is fighter class - if so you take Knife Master 4 and rest is Warpriest then you are able to take 2 versions of weapon specialization with any other fighter level requirement feats, then you end up with 8 sneak dice (with accomplished sneak) with rather impressive base damage as well plus you get warpriest level weapon dice instead of your meager dagger dice plus blessings plus HIPS on level 16 (normal rogue does not have this)

[アンジェル]

As legit as clerics are actually better when build as damage dealers with healing properties.

I wonder if I can find the document about that again...

Found it - here you have an example: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5kvBvq2DEHjRWctNG05X0JINm8/edit?resourcekey=0-CYvFNn95KX6rpiYK1aLb7w

[mudakonn]

Thanks - but i still wonder why Warpriest (as a cleric with cleric bab and spells) is considered fighter class when picking feats and maybe in some other areas - i dont know if there is some specific item/spell what is only available to used by figher or on fighter

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by mudakonn:

Thanks - but i still wonder why Warpriest (as a cleric with cleric bab and spells) is considered fighter class when picking feats and maybe in some other areas - i dont know if there is some specific item/spell what is only available to used by figher or on fighter

Actually... that is part of the name... War...priest... so yeah, a Warpriest being kind of archetype of a fighter tendency cleric is ... logical?

You can compare the class progression sheets ingame by clicking on details.

If you like more information I recommend outgame sources or the game's reference document.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/warpriest/

[mudakonn]

Thanks again:)
So this is not an oversight and a legit feature, looks like an obvious upgrade for a rogue with low dice weapons (lvl 15 warpriest has 2d6) - basically it is fighting with 2H weapon in both hands

[Super-XIX]

The weapon dice don't really matter. You get way more damage out of Sneak Attack and flat damage increases. Definitely doesn't hurt, though.

[mudakonn]

OK, then optimal path would be
Warpriest 1 pick Lamathsu for Kukri with STR and Trickery Blessings
KnifeMaster 4 and move from Neutral Evil to Lawful Evil
Then pick one level of Monk with Lawful
Warpriest until lvl 12 then back to rogue for that one extra sneak attack

[Conquista]

what are the two different versions of weapon specialization?

i only know the basic fighter one

[Darth Moo]

Originally posted by Conquista:

what are the two different versions of weapon specialization?

i only know the basic fighter one

Probably in reference to normal and then greater.

[wendigo211]

The Warpriest seems kind of weak to me, other than the Cult Leader archetype. I mean what are you really getting for giving up level 7-9 spells, over a generic Cleric or Crusader (which is the more martial Cleric archetype)? You get the blessings, which are kind of weak (Nobility looks okay though). You get the sacred weapon, most of the effects a Cleric can manage on their own with GMW and other spells (It does get Brilliant Energy eventually... at level 20). Ditto for sacred armor.

I get that it's supposed to be to the Cleric what the Magus is to the Wizard, but the Magus improves on the Wizard's BAB and has some useful Arcane Pool abilities like Dimension Strike (all attacks are touch attacks) and Prescient Attack (all attacks ignore dex/dodge AC). I just don't see what the Warpriest brings to the table that the Cleric doesn't.

[Conquista]

i currently play a warpriest on my demon playthrough and the biggest benefit i see in going warpriest are the additional feats to go for different melee playstyles like vitalstrike or cleave

not really gamebreaking strong, but its something that cleric and paladin are struggeling with

[Morgian]

The class is one of the hybrids, in this case fighter/cleric. Clerics get no bonus feats, the warpriest does, which allows for better martial builds. The blessings are nice, unless you picked weak ones. His unique feature is fervor, which allows him to cast quickened spells, mostly the combat buffs which he doesn't have on when battle starts. The sacred weapon feature is not gamebreaking, but it adds up...2d10 instead of 1d6 when using a scimitar for the crit range are simply better; practically 2 sneak attack dice ahead.
The warpriest does not try to be a cleric, he is a more combat-oriented type similar to a paladin, but with 6th level spells.

[wendigo211]

Originally posted by Morgian:

The class is one of the hybrids, in this case fighter/cleric. Clerics get no bonus feats, the warpriest does, which allows for better martial builds. The blessings are nice, unless you picked weak ones. His unique feature is fervor, which allows him to cast quickened spells, mostly the combat buffs which he doesn't have on when battle starts. The sacred weapon feature is not gamebreaking, but it adds up...2d10 instead of 1d6 when using a scimitar for the crit range are simply better; practically 2 sneak attack dice ahead.
The warpriest does not try to be a cleric, he is a more combat-oriented type similar to a paladin, but with 6th level spells.

Okay, it does get 6 bonus feats, but the Cleric does have the Crusader archetype which gives you 5 bonus feats. I'm not sure that it's competitive with Paladin as a martial character either.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by mudakonn:

I did not realize that warpriest is fighter class - if so you take Knife Master 4 and rest is Warpriest then you are able to take 2 versions of weapon specialization with any other fighter level requirement feats, then you end up with 8 sneak dice (with accomplished sneak) with rather impressive base damage as well plus you get warpriest level weapon dice instead of your meager dagger dice plus blessings plus HIPS on level 16 (normal rogue does not have this)

Straight WP is likely better tho KM 4 are great lvls. Literally everything WP does scales by class level. It’s already multiclassed by itself. You’re really going to feel underleveled the whole game.

DEX-based just isn’t worth it in Wrath unless you’re playing a class dedicated to it. You can just go 14/14 STR/DEX Cult Leader and be fine with all the ways to get AB/AC bonuses. The point of WP is growing weapon dice while DEX-based wants to fight Reduced. Just because you get Sneaks too doesn’t mean you have to go DEX-based.

[Conquista]

its 7 bonus feats, on level 1 you can chose a weapon that will get weapon focus
and also the crusader bonus feat pool is alot more limited

but nobody claims warpriest is one of the better classes in game
it just offers the player the possibility to pick more combat styles for their divine martial character

[mudakonn]

Yes you will be behind on class dice for sure - but if your original intent was to be a rogue then Cult Leader is just better way to go from there - you get your sneak attacks anyway with the better weapon dice and you get free kukri proficency with Lamathsu god (saving a feat)

With higher weapon dice and kukri higher crit range it should pay off...and with weapon specialization feats what up your base damage even more (if you just compare with rogue)