Can we hope for Gunslinger and Inventor in a future dlc?

[Solaris]

i just saw this and have a dream:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/01/pathfinder-playtest-two-new-classes-gunslinger-inventor.html

[living_one]

AmoretAmethyst eredeti hozzászólása:

aren't devs quite clearly said gunslingers simply do not fit high magic fantasy, therefore, they will not include it.

Pathfinder 1E has an ancient crashed starship, androids, a planet inhabited solely by robots (which can be visited by the inhabitans of Golarion), laser weapons, etc, but someone using primitive black powder weapons would be too much?

[Mermidion]

living_one eredeti hozzászólása:

AmoretAmethyst eredeti hozzászólása:

aren't devs quite clearly said gunslingers simply do not fit high magic fantasy, therefore, they will not include it.

Pathfinder 1E has an ancient crashed starship, androids, a planet inhabited solely by robots (which can be visited by the inhabitans of Golarion), laser weapons, etc, but someone using primitive black powder weapons would be too much?

Just Because some regions have guns doesnt mean they have to be everywhere. There is a reason why there are many moduls that dont include said starships,androids,laser weapons etc.

[joeking141]

Dude eredeti hozzászólása:

Not sure how they are going to make that work. I just hope it not more of a gimmick and actually holds to the TT rules (as well as can be expected).

All the Mythic Paths are totally different, the only one in this game that's in the TT is Trickster, and even that is fairly different. They aren't gimmicks though. They make major changes to the story, and gameplay.

[Gorgoneus]

Go play some generic korean trash with gunner class.... gunner class everywhere.

[Angelis Mortis]

Please don't.

[Moonlight Knight]

Mermidion eredeti hozzászólása:

living_one eredeti hozzászólása:

Pathfinder 1E has an ancient crashed starship, androids, a planet inhabited solely by robots (which can be visited by the inhabitans of Golarion), laser weapons, etc, but someone using primitive black powder weapons would be too much?

Just Because some regions have guns doesnt mean they have to be everywhere. There is a reason why there are many moduls that dont include said starships,androids,laser weapons etc.

See, that would be a fine answer in a lot of cases, but Numeria is basically right next door to Mendev (Mendev being the country Wrath of the Righteous takes place in). Hell, the Technic League, Numeria's very own space-laser-wielding slavers, SHOWED UP in the last Pathfinder game by Owlcat, you'd think that would have warranted a little technological action.

Gorgoneus eredeti hozzászólása:

Go play some generic korean trash with gunner class.... gunner class everywhere.

Some people would like to play THIS game with guns.

[Mermidion]

Heartmend eredeti hozzászólása:

]See, that would be a fine answer in a lot of cases, but Numeria is basically right next door to Mendev (Mendev being the country Wrath of the Righteous takes place in).
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See, that would be a fine answer but if we would let the "neighbouring country" thing count as a reason that would mean that every region that is ever connected to Lets say region 1 that uses advanced tech should also have advanced tech,,, then the regions that are connected to the regions that a connected with region 1 should also have advanced tech and so on and so on..until we got Lasers and starships everywhere.

[Stink Bug]

In addition to the neighboring country harboring firearms, the fact you’re in a desperate war to keep a surge of Demons at bay would be even more reason to use any weapon at your disposal.

At the end of the day though it’s Owlcat’s game and they’ve already (half)implemented a metric ton of classes and archetypes so I can see why they’re not interested in adding a more esoteric class that would require creating new weapon types (I still want to see slings!) Maybe as a DLC later, or if modding becomes easier some intrepid fans can add the class and make the 3D models required. If anyone’s played the class mods for Kingmaker you already know how well integrated these unofficial addons can be.

[Moonlight Knight]

Mermidion eredeti hozzászólása:

See, that would be a fine answer but if we would let the "neighbouring country" thing count as a reason that would mean that every region that is ever connected to Lets say region 1 that uses advanced tech should also have advanced tech,,, then the regions that are connected to the regions that a connected with region 1 should also have advanced tech and so on and so on..until we got Lasers and starships everywhere.

That's not what I'm saying, though. What I'm saying is that such things should be allowed to exist in areas that are nearby without needing page upon page of justification, because they're *nearby.* I don't mind a certain amount of rarity to let the setting keep its own tone, but having a (singular) gun in Kingmaker would not have completely destroyed it, nor would even a handful of gun-using npcs or a single gun-using companion.

Stink Bug eredeti hozzászólása:

In addition to the neighboring country harboring firearms, the fact you’re in a desperate war to keep a surge of Demons at bay would be even more reason to use any weapon at your disposal.

At the end of the day though it’s Owlcat’s game and they’ve already (half)implemented a metric ton of classes and archetypes so I can see why they’re not interested in adding a more esoteric class that would require creating new weapon types (I still want to see slings!) Maybe as a DLC later, or if modding becomes easier some intrepid fans can add the class and make the 3D models required. If anyone’s played the class mods for Kingmaker you already know how well integrated these unofficial addons can be.

Agreed on both points. It would be pretty smart to bring a handful of flintlock regiments at the very least, in my opinion.

That said, yeah, it's Owlcat's game at the end of the day, and while I disagree with their decision I respect that it was made with both mechanical and story justifications and I accept it. I just. *Really* hope a modder comes along to change it, because deep down I really just. Want to play the Doomguy in Mendev.

[James009]

The Pathfinder series is high medieval fantasy, I think including guns would conflict too much within the lore, would pretty much eliminate the need for bows, and would hurt balance.

[Moonlight Knight]

James009 eredeti hozzászólása:

The Pathfinder series is high medieval fantasy, I think including guns would conflict too much within the lore, would pretty much eliminate the need for bows, and would hurt balance.

Did you read any post that was already made here or, indeed, do ANY research into the Pathfinder series and its lore before making this post?

[Ur the Devourer]

Heartmend eredeti hozzászólása:

James009 eredeti hozzászólása:

The Pathfinder series is high medieval fantasy, I think including guns would conflict too much within the lore, would pretty much eliminate the need for bows, and would hurt balance.

Did you read any post that was already made here or, indeed, do ANY research into the Pathfinder series and its lore before making this post?

'High Medieval Fantasy'

May I introduce you to the Following Medieval firearms of our own world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arquebus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_cannon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culverin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot-de-fer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilongjiang_hand_cannon

And that isn't even going into the early flamethrowers and other weapons we developed to brutally murder each other! Now, The Scifi Elements of the Silver Mount are not really anything to worry about as the Androids don't _really_ want to leave the connection to their home, and the Technic League out right refuses to let anything Technologically advanced leave. That isn't to say it doesn't- We wouldn't have Numerian Steel otherwise. Aka the Star Metal Adamantine. To say firearms aren't setting appropriate shows a fundamental ignorance to what is 'Medieval.' An ignorance that has been, admittedly, fostered when faced with the idea of Magic. But Magic does not mean firearms have no place in a fantastic Medieval aged world.

[Louis Cypher]

Nah, I am not a purist but this should better be added in an extra game focusing on Gears & Guns

[kontrfilozof]

Yeah, guys that told us about guns in Pathfinder world are absolutely correct. But the mythic ascension paths are probably main feature of the game, so maybe Devs are thinking that guns would steal their shine a bit. Personally I wouldn't be opposed to guns in future DLC, but from what I heard Owlcat hired a bunch of Sci-Fi artists, so maybe you'll get your gunslingers and lasers, and robots in next game, this time located in Numeria :)
Oh, and Wrath of the Righteous will have dinosaur mounts so... yeah, this world isn't 100% traditional fantasy :D