Can we hope for Gunslinger and Inventor in a future dlc?

[Solaris]

i just saw this and have a dream:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/01/pathfinder-playtest-two-new-classes-gunslinger-inventor.html

[BloodDragon]

+1 Gimme rifles top gun down the demonic horde

[razvedchiki]

certainly not.

[Sorceress]

aren't devs quite clearly said gunslingers simply do not fit high magic fantasy, therefore, they will not include it.

[Solaris]

i'm more interested by inventor ;) gunslinger can use crossbow to fit in a fantasy world.

[joeking141]

Given that those are Pathfinder 2e classes, and the game is based on Pathfinder 1e I doubt it. The gunslinger has a 1e counterpart also called the gunslinger but as other said I think the devs confirmed they wouldn't be adding guns. Having said that one of the archetypes called the "bolt ace" uses crossbows instead, I could maybe see them using that as the basis for a new class but I'd think it'd be one of the last regular class added. I'd expect Summoners, Brawlers, Investigators and even Swashbucklers to be added first.

[Darx]

hell no.

i say we need the summoner class. this would be reaaally unique and cool

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by joeking141:

Given that those are Pathfinder 2e classes, and the game is based on Pathfinder 1e I doubt it. The gunslinger has a 1e counterpart also called the gunslinger but as other said I think the devs confirmed they wouldn't be adding guns. Having said that one of the archetypes called the "bolt ace" uses crossbows instead, I could maybe see them using that as the basis for a new class but I'd think it'd be one of the last regular class added. I'd expect Summoners, Brawlers, Investigators and even Swashbucklers to be added first.

I really can't see an Investigator being added to Wrath of the Righteous, to be honest, it's very much a more direct-action sort of game. Investigation isn't a major step in any of it.

With regards to 2e, a lot of this game is actually taking cues from 2e while still basing itself mainly in 1e, so that's kind of a "yeah, but..." sort of answer.

Originally posted by AmoretAmethyst:

aren't devs quite clearly said gunslingers simply do not fit high magic fantasy, therefore, they will not include it.

Unfortunately this is true, they've said they didn't think a gunslinger would suit the tone of this game.

That said, you should look up Numeria, which is a nation that actually neighbors the one this game takes place in. Owlcat may not want to put gunslingers in a Crusade-based story, but Paizo clearly doesn't agree with the idea that guns just don't belong in high fantasy.

Hell, even not going the full Sci Fi route of Numeria, Alkenstar also exists. In tabletop, it's not just alchemists that come from there.

[Solaris]

yep there are some missing oportunies, like terrakinesis for kineticist (change element you can use based on terrain, like favored terrain for ranger), or Baldebound a magus with an intelligent weapon (they added them in wrath). or shifter with Feyform archetype (can change into any fey) or even expand some class with original mix like havoker but playable, or a spirit focused class with a mix of shaman/oracle/medium : D

special mention to the hybrif archetype hexenhammer (inquisitor/witch)

how many time does it take to become a coder? :D i really hope they open the game to steam workshop like darkest dungeon (was a huge success with many fan creations and community project).

[Mermidion]

Originally posted by AmoretAmethyst:

aren't devs quite clearly said gunslingers simply do not fit high magic fantasy, therefore, they will not include it.

if they said it, i am all for it and agree. i rather have the pathfinder summoner class ,now that would be a unique one with interesting mechanics.

[BloodDragon]

Owlcat is wrong there guns aren't any different from magic or any other weapon and can be used in any setting.
Still sad that aside from POE no CRPG has guns, it's so satisfying to shoot some underdeveloped barbarian with a good musket. The best part of the last samurai is the end where these idiots get massacred using good western engineering. But whatever it's their game and their vison,

[Mermidion]

Originally posted by BloodDragon:

Owlcat is wrong there guns aren't any different from magic or any other weapon and can be used in any setting.
Still sad that aside from POE no CRPG has guns, it's so satisfying to shoot some underdeveloped barbarian with a good musket. The best part of the last samurai is the end where these idiots get massacred using good western engineering. But whatever it's their game and their vison,

i find it funny that you dont see the irony, saying owlcat is wrong and that guns aren'T any different and then give a text provingt WHY owlcat is right and they are real different. xD

[BloodDragon]

Sure but no one is asking them to add late 19.century guns I just want good old Arquebus, I mean Pathfinder has rapiers or greatswords which defintley are not really medieval weapons either.

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by BloodDragon:

Sure but no one is asking them to add late 19.century guns I just want good old Arquebus, I mean Pathfinder has rapiers or greatswords which defintley are not really medieval weapons either.

Pathfinder also has Cowboy-era guns and SPACE LASERS, so there's that.

And I mean it also has dragons, vampires, liches, demons, angels, and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Call of Cthulhu aliens, so you'd think that worrying about realism and historical accuracy wouldn't be a major problem.

Originally posted by BloodDragon:

Still sad that aside from POE no CRPG has guns, it's so satisfying to shoot some underdeveloped barbarian with a good musket. The best part of the last samurai is the end where these idiots get massacred using good western engineering. But whatever it's their game and their vison,

Ehh, gotta disagree with you there, chief. A main part of the reason why I like guns in fantasy is less using them to wipe out foreigners and "underdeveloped" cultures and more to do with using them to give ordinary soldiers a half a fighting chance against wizards and dragons and ♥♥♥♥.

[Solaris]

the original Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura had gun (a good crpg, not the one on steam) had gun (and some really good background choice: like idiot savant: funny dialogue with people thinking you are mentaly handicapped and you can only speak like you have 5 int.

[Dude]

Confirming Heartmend- The guns from Numeria are more relics from the crashed spaceship than crafted items (laser-like weapons). The guns in Pathfinder are from Alkenstar in the Mana Wastes between Nex and Geb and are extremely rare in the core Golarian game. I think Paizo want to keep the "steam-punk" creep to a minimum. Got to say I agree.

@Joeking141- I would love to see the Brawler. In a tabletop game, I forced myself to step out of my comfort zone and tried playing one. I 100% absolutely loved it. But since a major mechanic of that class is grappling, pinning, etc. it would be next to impossible to implement (at least not without a major recoding and lots of new animations).
I think Summoners and Swashbucklers along with a few of the other hybrid classes (not to keen on the Investigators CRPG mechanic-wise).

All that said, I was very surprised we got Witches (been avoiding a lot of spoilers) but I have a feeling they will be extremely different that table-top, (no fly or ranged hair-attack, etc).
I was also very surprised about the mythic classes. Not sure how they are going to make that work. I just hope it not more of a gimmick and actually holds to the TT rules (as well as can be expected).