Merge Lich spell book or not?

[ApathicAlpaca]

So I want to retrain my druid to become sorcerer. I am Mythic 3 so exactly the point where you can chose to
a) merge Lich spell book
b) the other option (keep it separate?)

Which one is better? I mean, does merging mean you get all the lich spells IN ADDITION to whatever spells you selected as sorcerer already?
And if you chose b), what does that do exactly? You get TWO spell books? I am confused as to how that would work tbh...

And regarding caster level, I heard you get your mythic rank on top of your caster level. When I'm pure level 10 caster and mythic 3 I would end up with caster level 13?
Does that continue beyond 20? That would it make it INSANELY cool against spell resistance, no? Or is 20 the cap no matter what?

Thanks.

[Sador]

Merging is generally considered to be far superior, the only thing is that supposedly level 10 spells (which you can get in the last 1 or 2 fights of the game) don't currently seem to work with merged spellbooks. Beyond that though, merged spellbooks are far better for full casters.

Merging basically gives you all the Lich spells in addition to your normal spells at a far higher caster level and gives access to higher level spells earlier, although non-merged supposedly gives a few extra spell slots.

[Sotanaht]

Also if you change mythic paths, you get to keep merged spells, but lose unmerged books.

[Donnicton]

Merging is almost always better, because it adheres to your class's spell slot count rather than the mythic spell book slots which are laughably low. It also pools your caster levels so by the end of the game you'll reach up to base caster level 30, which you really really want to happen because Lich damage spells have no CL cap for damage and most buff spells in general have no duration cap.

There's a couple of level 10 spells you don't get by merging spell books(I think this is a bug though), but they are not particularly good so you won't be missing much of anything anyway.

[ApathicAlpaca]

Originally posted by Sotanaht:

Also if you change mythic paths, you get to keep merged spells, but lose unmerged books.

Wait you can change paths? Like, change Lich for Aeon? It does not give me that option at Hilor (retrain), do you get it later in the game at some point?

[ApathicAlpaca]

Originally posted by Donnicton:

Merging is almost always better, because it adheres to your class's spell slot count rather than the mythic spell book slots which are laughably low. It also pools your caster levels so by the end of the game you'll reach up to base caster level 30, which you really really want to happen because Lich damage spells have no CL cap for damage and most buff spells have no duration cap.

There's a couple of level 10 spells you don't get by merging spell books(I think this is a bug though), but they are not particularly good so you won't be missing much of anything anyway.

Thanks. Does base caster level 30 also get calculated against spell resistance? That'd be unbelievable, all spell pen feats together only give +6! Or wait, mythic spell pen gives +MR, my fault. So +14 total.

[Donnicton]

Originally posted by ApathicAlpaca:

Originally posted by Sotanaht:

Also if you change mythic paths, you get to keep merged spells, but lose unmerged books.

Wait you can change paths? Like, change Lich for Aeon? It does not give me that option at Hilor (retrain), do you get it later in the game at some point?

No this is referring to if you pivot at mythic 8 and decide to do something like Gold Dragon or Swarm instead of whichever original mythic path you were doing.

[jitrnicka2]

Originally posted by ApathicAlpaca:

Originally posted by Donnicton:

Merging is almost always better, because it adheres to your class's spell slot count rather than the mythic spell book slots which are laughably low. It also pools your caster levels so by the end of the game you'll reach up to base caster level 30, which you really really want to happen because Lich damage spells have no CL cap for damage and most buff spells have no duration cap.

There's a couple of level 10 spells you don't get by merging spell books(I think this is a bug though), but they are not particularly good so you won't be missing much of anything anyway.

Thanks. Does base caster level 30 also get calculated against spell resistance? That'd be unbelievable, all spell pen feats together only give +6! Or wait, mythic spell pen gives +MR, my fault. So +14 total.

Many of the lich spells ignore spell pen. Also be aware, that respecing could break you save, and the chances are much higher for lich path. It is known issue and is being patched but afaik it is still not fixed.

[Donnicton]

Originally posted by jitrnicka2:

Originally posted by ApathicAlpaca:

Thanks. Does base caster level 30 also get calculated against spell resistance? That'd be unbelievable, all spell pen feats together only give +6! Or wait, mythic spell pen gives +MR, my fault. So +14 total.

Many of the lich spells ignore spell pen. Also be aware, that respecing could break you save, and the chances are much higher for lich path. It is known issue and is being patched but afaik it is still not fixed.

It is fixed, OwlCat is just terrible at updating their pinned threads.

I also never had an issue having respecced several times before then either - though not that I would have known anyway because OwlCat never explained what these supposed issues are. But I was able to do all of the path seemingly with no obstructions, in any case.

[ApathicAlpaca]

Originally posted by jitrnicka2:

Originally posted by ApathicAlpaca:

Thanks. Does base caster level 30 also get calculated against spell resistance? That'd be unbelievable, all spell pen feats together only give +6! Or wait, mythic spell pen gives +MR, my fault. So +14 total.

Many of the lich spells ignore spell pen. Also be aware, that respecing could break you save, and the chances are much higher for lich path. It is known issue and is being patched but afaik it is still not fixed.

Do you mean the save slot, because I made a separate one before respeccing to be safe. So I can return there if I notice bugs. Or do you mean all your saves are corrupted because of things you do in any of them?

[jitrnicka2]

Originally posted by Donnicton:

Originally posted by jitrnicka2:

Many of the lich spells ignore spell pen. Also be aware, that respecing could break you save, and the chances are much higher for lich path. It is known issue and is being patched but afaik it is still not fixed.

It is fixed, OwlCat is just terrible at updating their pinned threads.

I also never had an issue having respecced several times before then either - though not that I would have known anyway because OwlCat never explained what these supposed issues are. But I was able to do all of the path seemingly with no obstructions, in any case.

Is it really? Was it mentioned in any patch notes? I am currently playing arcanist lich and I would respec to sorc, but I don't want to risk it.

Originally posted by ApathicAlpaca:

Originally posted by jitrnicka2:

Many of the lich spells ignore spell pen. Also be aware, that respecing could break you save, and the chances are much higher for lich path. It is known issue and is being patched but afaik it is still not fixed.

Do you mean the save slot, because I made a separate one before respeccing to be safe. So I can return there if I notice bugs. Or do you mean all your saves are corrupted because of things you do in any of them?

Owlcat wasn't too specific with the issue, but it was something in the sense of some important events not triggering, npcs missing and so on. Main problem was, that it could happen a chapter or two after the respec, so backup save could work, but it might also mean you have to replay a large part of the game.

[Sador]

Originally posted by Donnicton:

It is fixed, OwlCat is just terrible at updating their pinned threads.

It's not, at least not completely.

[ApathicAlpaca]

Now I'm afraid :|
(gotta work on those Will saves lol)