Leper's Smile Questions

[Phil85]

If I kill the queen first, can I then go back and get the loot without penalty? Will the loot still be guarded by swarms? Doe aoe spells like fireball work well with the swarms? How about the keneticist's attacks against swarms? What helps prevent my team from skipping turns and attacking each other(Will saves?)? Thanks.

[Sador]

Most of the loot will be destroyed by the swam but what's left you can loot. (There's nothing particularly important there so don't worry about it too much).

Yes all of that stuff will help. As for people "skipping turns or attacking each other", it depends on what they're affected by. Most effects have some kind of save (will or otherwise) you need to make to prevent it. Some stuff will affect you even if you do make it, just to a lesser degree.

[Phil85]

I cleared the top area and killed the queen, but had about 3 incidents where a soldier was said to have died b/c I looted the area. I was worried about the crusade mode debuffs. I left my kineticist back at camp and didn't buy the salamander ring for Ember to help with her aoe spells- I may go back and change that. Also, The main problem I had in the cave was having team members skip turns repeatedly or at times attack each other. That snowballed fast in one fight and I wiped.

[Sador]

Originally posted by Phil85:

I cleared the top area and killed the queen, but had about 3 incidents where a soldier was said to have died b/c I looted the area. I was worried about the crusade mode debuffs. I left my kineticist back at camp and didn't buy the salamander ring for Ember to help with her aoe spells- I may go back and change that. Also, The main problem I had in the cave was having team members skip turns repeatedly or at times attack each other. That snowballed fast in one fight and I wiped.

You're gonna have to look at what's debuffing them.

[Winger]

Originally posted by Phil85:

If I kill the queen first, can I then go back and get the loot without penalty? Will the loot still be guarded by swarms? Doe aoe spells like fireball work well with the swarms? How about the keneticist's attacks against swarms? What helps prevent my team from skipping turns and attacking each other(Will saves?)? Thanks.

You can use the Unbreakable Heart level 1 spell to dispel the confusion effect you get from swarms. Many classes have access to it.

[Mork]

All the good loot will be gone after killing the queen.

What is really good against the swarms is a very powerful archer. Not sure if Lann as a zen archer is good enough but my Lann as a mutation warrior archer kill them extremely fast.

I haven't try Kineticist or a alchemist ​grenadier against them but they should be good.

From my experience, Nenio fireballs, burning arcs and scorching rays were very disappointing...

Yes will save is important against them, but the level 1 spell Unbreakable Heart can help a little bit. But what help the most in my opinion is the formation by keeping baits in front and archers far back.

[Phil85]

Oh, good point. I have several guys with the unbreakable heart spell. I have Lann, and he has been good. How many points of mutation warrior did you use? So Aoe spells don't work against the swarms well? That's disappointing.

[Winger]

Originally posted by Phil85:

Oh, good point. I have several guys with the unbreakable heart spell. I have Lann, and he has been good. How many points of mutation warrior did you use? So Aoe spells don't work against the swarms well? That's disappointing.

AoE spells will work but check their resists as not all elements are effective against them.

[Mork]

1 level of Zen archer and 16 levels of fighter mutation warrior with rapid shot + manyshot + deadly aim.

He was probably at that time 1 zen archer / level 6 or 7 mutation warrior

[Phil85]

Originally posted by Mork:

1 level of Zen archer and 16 levels of fighter mutation warrior with rapid shot + manyshot + deadly aim.

So no need for more than 1 lvl of Zen archer? Is that b/c mutation warrior has extra bonus feats?

[Mork]

Originally posted by Phil85:

Originally posted by Mork:

1 level of Zen archer and 16 levels of fighter mutation warrior with rapid shot + manyshot + deadly aim.

So no need for more than 1 lvl of Zen archer? Is that b/c mutation warrior has extra bonus feats?

Yeah... the strength of a fighter is to stack attack bonus and a mutation warrior can stack even more. Archer require a lot of attack bonus to keep rapid shot + deadly aim ON at all time and they can do a ton of damage after level 6.

But i haven't play with Lann as a pure Zen archer tough so i am not totally sure on how ''big'' the difference is...

[Phil85]

Originally posted by Mork:

Originally posted by Phil85:

So no need for more than 1 lvl of Zen archer? Is that b/c mutation warrior has extra bonus feats?

Yeah... the strength of a fighter is to stack attack bonus and a mutation warrior can stack even more. Archer require a lot of attack bonus to keep rapid shot + deadly aim ON at all time and they can do a ton of damage after level 6.

But i haven't play with Lann as a pure Zen archer tough so i am not totally sure on how ''big'' the difference is...

Are there any good links to a good archer/MW build? I'm interested to seeing how it compares to my zen archer.

[Mork]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2624858026

Keep in mind that he has manyshot which do not show on the character sheet.

[Phil85]

Thanks!

[Phil85]

Originally posted by Mork:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2624858026

Keep in mind that he has manyshot which do not show on the character sheet.

Nice stats. Are you wearing good gear or is this mostly build and buffs? You have 36 AC and 16 atk rating.

[Mork]

He has a +4 dex belt but that's about it