Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

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Diplomatic council events (possible consequence)?
Is there any possible consequence say had the andoran offering soldiers event and fox lady told me to refuse them (her rewards seem weak) while the others have better rewards but lore wise want to be loyal to the queen. is there any real consequence to defying the council?
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Sador Oct 10, 2021 @ 7:25am 
Nah, she'll just be annoyed.
Fistimus Maximus Oct 10, 2021 @ 7:29am 
saw a thread mention mentioned I would be kept outside of politics by the council but no one posted what the consequence of that is or means.
Cutlass Jack Oct 10, 2021 @ 7:42am 
The Fox Lady will completely snap and run out of the room ranting "There will be consequences! Consequences!!!1!"

I see that as a reward. She was terrible at her job.
Fistimus Maximus Oct 10, 2021 @ 7:46am 
Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:
The Fox Lady will completely snap and run out of the room ranting "There will be consequences! Consequences!!!1!"

I see that as a reward. She was terrible at her job.
yeah would help is her choice gave good rewards but a buff to your cav or infantry is good while moral is pointless since its maxed out.
Sador Oct 10, 2021 @ 7:48am 
Originally posted by Fistimus Maximus:
yeah would help is her choice gave good rewards but a buff to your cav or infantry is good while moral is pointless since its maxed out.
I think it giving awful rewards is kinda the point. They are all awful at their jobs and are trying to keep things the way they were even though it sucks for most people.
Cutlass Jack Oct 10, 2021 @ 7:52am 
Originally posted by Sador:
Originally posted by Fistimus Maximus:
yeah would help is her choice gave good rewards but a buff to your cav or infantry is good while moral is pointless since its maxed out.
I think it giving awful rewards is kinda the point. They are all awful at their jobs and are trying to keep things the way they were even though it sucks for most people.

Stranglehold the Logistic councildwarf is the only good one. The Logistic group was a breath of fresh air compared to the Diplomacy one. Ironically being more diplomatic with each other and willing to listen to all suggestions.
TwinCats Oct 10, 2021 @ 8:03am 
Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:
Stranglehold the Logistic councildwarf is the only good one. The Logistic group was a breath of fresh air compared to the Diplomacy one. Ironically being more diplomatic with each other and willing to listen to all suggestions.
Of course. Because Logistic group is no direct connection with the queen and the royal council. Lady Fox believes that the Diplomatic Council should be completely subordinate to the interests of the queen, even to the detriment of the crusade.

I always choose Daeran's advices to annoy Lady Fox.
Last edited by TwinCats; Oct 10, 2021 @ 8:05am
Donduffino Oct 10, 2021 @ 8:23am 
Why have the people of Golarion not banded together and genocided Kitsunes yet?
wagner235 Apr 2, 2024 @ 8:12am 
Originally posted by Donduffino:
Why have the people of Golarion not banded together and genocided Kitsunes yet?
That would be a good writing, which Owlcats can not afford.
Steffan Apr 3, 2024 @ 8:45am 
Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:
The Fox Lady will completely snap and run out of the room ranting "There will be consequences! Consequences!!!1!"

I see that as a reward. She was terrible at her job.

Galfrey is a poor judge of character. Her most notable appointments are a spy, an obnoxious diplomat and a fanatical prelate. And yes, she will possibly sack/exile the only one who can save her kingdom. Only Irabeth and Anevia are on point.
Last edited by Steffan; Apr 3, 2024 @ 8:45am
Vertigo Apr 3, 2024 @ 9:12am 
Originally posted by steffan8:
Galfrey is a poor judge of character. Her most notable appointments are a spy, an obnoxious diplomat and a fanatical prelate. And yes, she will possibly sack/exile the only one who can save her kingdom. Only Irabeth and Anevia are on point.

While I agree about most of your points, Hulrun is an exception. He became more fanatical after demons infiltrated town and slaughtered people. He definitely went overboard at times, but his motivation was not because he enjoyed killing people. Wintersun is proof how easy it is for demons to trick the unsuspecting.

As for Irabeth, she was a terrible leader. She lacks the ability to discipline her troops, and several defect right in front of her. While I understand how what she went through could shake her mental fortitude, it is absolutely unprofessional and horrible to have a breakdown in the middle of a war council deciding one of the greatest battles in crusade history. There is no reason she could not have had a conversation privately with the KC if she wanted to step down. She also requires the KC to dedicate time and resources into cheering her up.

Anevia is more competent, but even she holds the idiot ball at times. She also never seems to suspect the spy, and it takes her some time to determine who is killing troops from within. She aslo does not do a lot plot wise. It shows these two were never quite sufficient for their positions in a major crusade.
Steffan Apr 3, 2024 @ 11:20am 
Originally posted by Vertigo:

While I agree about most of your points, Hulrun is an exception. He became more fanatical after demons infiltrated town and slaughtered people. He definitely went overboard at times, but his motivation was not because he enjoyed killing people. Wintersun is proof how easy it is for demons to trick the unsuspecting.

It's probably me. I simply can't stand him, even though that, as you say, he is a victim of sorts, too. I am naturally leaning towards more 'chaotic' characters (Daeran (regardless his stated alignment; due to reasons) and Woljif) and Hulrun's fanaticism irks me a great deal.

I tend to be more tolerant towards Irabeth's misgiving as she has been in quite a tough situation, honestly. Basically seeing your soldiers and friends being eviscerated around you while you wait for your turn. Also the helplessness and a war that has no end in sight. I do get it.

That being said, while in the details we might disagree a bit, I think we can agree Galfrey is a fine figureheard but not a great ruler, strategist or a poltician.
Last edited by Steffan; Apr 3, 2024 @ 11:24am
Vertigo Apr 3, 2024 @ 11:56am 
Originally posted by steffan8:
It's probably me. I simply can't stand him, even though that, as you say, he is a victim of sorts, too. I am naturally leaning towards more 'chaotic' characters (Daeran (regardless his stated alignment; due to reasons) and Woljif) and Hulrun's fanaticism irks me a great deal.

I tend to be more tolerant towards Irabeth's misgiving as she has been in quite a tough situation, honestly. Basically seeing your soldiers and friends being eviscerated around you while you wait for your turn. Also the helplessness and a war that has no end in sight. I do get it.

That being said, while in the details we might disagree a bit, I think we can agree Galfrey is a fine figureheard but not a great ruler, strategist or a poltician.

Make no mistake: the man is close to a mad dog at times, and I don't blame players for killing him. That said, he does back down when you show the light of heaven, and he even calms down at the end of the game. I can apply your point about Irabeth to Hulrun as well.

Imagine this: you run a large city that is open and welcoming to all. One day, some travelers who you thought were people in need transform into demons and start slaughtering the people you are responsible for. You no longer know who is trustworthy as anyone can be a demon. Even worse, history teaches that demons caused Drezen to fall by subterfuge. You now have to face the people relying on you for protection in addition to being able to show the queen you are fit to rule this area. If you do nothing, people will accuse you of being weak and letting the demons in. If you use force, then others are going to act like you are cruel or a fanatic. There is no good outcome no matter the decision. I also think that he knows on some level he risks harming innocents, but he has to convince himself he is right in order to keep going.

I think Irabeth and Hulrun in that sense can be foils to one another. Irabeth faced tragedy why withdrawing and giving up. Hulrun faced it by doubling down and taking the most hardline stance against demons as possible. As the story shows, both methods are harmful to those around them.

And despite my earlier comments, I don't hate Irabeth. I think her and Anevia were out of their league once they joined the Crusade. Seelah has her moments of insecurity, but it never keeps her from staying in the fight.
Last edited by Vertigo; Apr 3, 2024 @ 11:59am
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