About the necessity of Skalds

[Eedjit]

I dont get how you could manage the majority of big fights without a Skald, especially one with reckless stance and inspire ferocity, with how high AC most of the mid to late game enemies have, turning those nat 20s to hit, to 10s to hit, at the level 15 im at, gives a whopping +10 attack bonus.
Sure you miss an equal amount in AC, but saving the inspired rage for only your damage dealers and maybe kineticists who dont care about rage, it does all the difference in the world.
But then you also have your displacement and mirror image to compensate the loss in AC. Question is, why would anyone ever not have a Skald in their party for this exact reason? So many ultra hard fights have been made basically trivial with having one.

[Eedjit]

Also, what is your answer to the extremely high AC some encounters have, at level 15 some bosses have had some 65 AC at worst, without a skald and with your some 30+ attack bonus at best, how do you overcome that? Just wishing for the nat 20s? Or am i missing something, this game feels like its bottlenecking your party composition, never in Kingmaker did i feel that the enemy AC was unfairly high, even at later levels.

[Frozen Dervish]

Fighters at lvl 20 should have roughly 40 AB baseline.
Bards can give 4 AB via Inspire courage
Outflank gives 4
Rogues can debilitating injury for 2
Judges can give 4
Cleric's with community domain can give roughly 8 or so
Freebooters can give 4
Enhancement bonus on weapon will give 5
Haste will give 1
Shatter Defenses can give roughly 10-15
Smite evil/chaos can give 5-8 depending on enemy's type and your modifier.
Slayer gives +5 AB for the Slayer
and so on

And then you have the various spell buffs you'd mix and match for stacking bonuses.

[Eedjit]

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

Fighters at lvl 20 should have roughly 40 AB baseline.
Bards can give 4 AB via Inspire courage
Outflank gives 4
Rogues can debilitating injury for 2
Judges can give 4
Cleric's with community domain can give roughly 8 or so
Freebooters can give 4
Enhancement bonus on weapon will give 5
Haste will give 1
Shatter Defenses can give roughly 10-15
Smite evil/chaos can give 5-8 depending on enemy's type and your modifier.
Slayer gives +5 AB for the Slayer
and so on

And then you have the various spell buffs you'd mix and match for stacking bonuses.

Yeah, i know that, my point was, why not have an idle + 10 AB at all times? on top of all of those other bonuses? Skald does that.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Lemon stealing ♥♥♥♥♥:

I dont get how you could manage the majority of big fights without a Skald, especially one with reckless stance and inspire ferocity, with how high AC most of the mid to late game enemies have, turning those nat 20s to hit, to 10s to hit, at the level 15 im at, gives a whopping +10 attack bonus.
Sure you miss an equal amount in AC, but saving the inspired rage for only your damage dealers and maybe kineticists who dont care about rage, it does all the difference in the world.
But then you also have your displacement and mirror image to compensate the loss in AC. Question is, why would anyone ever not have a Skald in their party for this exact reason? So many ultra hard fights have been made basically trivial with having one.

Use your skills and abilities. I play with single classed companions and do fine. On Core just need to avoid a 1 don’t need a nat 20.

[Frozen Dervish]

Originally posted by Lemon stealing ♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

Fighters at lvl 20 should have roughly 40 AB baseline.
Bards can give 4 AB via Inspire courage
Outflank gives 4
Rogues can debilitating injury for 2
Judges can give 4
Cleric's with community domain can give roughly 8 or so
Freebooters can give 4
Enhancement bonus on weapon will give 5
Haste will give 1
Shatter Defenses can give roughly 10-15
Smite evil/chaos can give 5-8 depending on enemy's type and your modifier.
Slayer gives +5 AB for the Slayer
and so on

And then you have the various spell buffs you'd mix and match for stacking bonuses.

Yeah, i know that, my point was, why not have an idle + 10 AB at all times? on top of all of those other bonuses? Skald does that.

Skald's bard song is infinite? If so I don't see any reason not to, but if it doesn't have unlimited uses it's not really idle.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Lemon stealing ♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

Fighters at lvl 20 should have roughly 40 AB baseline.
Bards can give 4 AB via Inspire courage
Outflank gives 4
Rogues can debilitating injury for 2
Judges can give 4
Cleric's with community domain can give roughly 8 or so
Freebooters can give 4
Enhancement bonus on weapon will give 5
Haste will give 1
Shatter Defenses can give roughly 10-15
Smite evil/chaos can give 5-8 depending on enemy's type and your modifier.
Slayer gives +5 AB for the Slayer
and so on

And then you have the various spell buffs you'd mix and match for stacking bonuses.

Yeah, i know that, my point was, why not have an idle + 10 AB at all times? on top of all of those other bonuses? Skald does that.

Because I’m already hitting and like having a MC who can Dispel buffs.

[Eedjit]

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

Originally posted by Lemon stealing ♥♥♥♥♥:

Yeah, i know that, my point was, why not have an idle + 10 AB at all times? on top of all of those other bonuses? Skald does that.

Skald's bard song is infinite? If so I don't see any reason not to, but if it doesn't have unlimited uses it's not really idle.

Well not really, but it has some 45 uses at the level im at, + the lingering performance

[Conquista]

game offers you different ways to buff up your attack rolls, pick the one you like the most and roll with it

[Ghost]

Harold of the Horn ftw?

[Eedjit]

Originally posted by Conquista:

game offers you different ways to buff up your attack rolls, pick the one you like the most and roll with it

Sure, but i dont think anything does it as well as a Skald does, so good even that it was easy to pick through some 60+ AC bosses, ofc along with other buffs such as heroism etc. So I still think, a ferocity Skald is a necessity with how terrible the AC creep is in the game, comparing to Kingmaker, in which i never felt like I was totally lacking in AB. Even with fully buffing my party, with everything ive got, and my wenduag is a Spawn Slayer with all the AB buffs from the class to boot, still hits only with nat 20s without the Skald song. Oh and i play on Core+

[ExcaliburV]

I mean, I have 4 playthroughs on core atm and none of those parties have any skalds. Don't even have any bards, and I get by just fine. So I don't know if I'd say they're necessary.

[Conquista]

on my current demon run i trying to turn regill into a court poet, a bit of diversity is always fun

[Eedjit]

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

I mean, I have 4 playthroughs on core atm and none of those parties have any skalds. Don't even have any bards, and I get by just fine. So I don't know if I'd say they're necessary.

So whats your workaround then? Geniounly curious since i dont want to forever bring a Skald for recurring playthroughs. In kingmaker i had my Sword Saint tank, who could just ignore everything but Touch AC, so im thinking on doing another one. (its again a shame how few really good dueling swords are in the game, so might have to do it with a scimitar again, whats with the hate for dueling swords, Owlcat?)

[Sador]

Originally posted by Conquista:

on my current demon run i trying to turn regill into a court poet, a bit of diversity is always fun

This is so amusing lore wise. I can't imagine him hating anything more than that.

[kodama]

Originally posted by Conquista:

on my current demon run i trying to turn regill into a court poet, a bit of diversity is always fun

Is it fixed?