Is Irabeth supposed to be an anagram, of Aribeth from neverwinter nights?

[provokastoras]

There names are practically the same....
Both are paladins of the god of justice (benevolent) in their settings.
Have pretty similar sounding surnames to boot.
Both are in love with their lord's /lady's spymaster.
Both fail miserably in their duty and need the player to put them back in track (though the second went a bit further into the dark side)
Both are trying (and failing) to defend their city.
Both are given s... by a villainous figure of religious authority, one by an inquisitor the other by a cleric of helm.
Even though it is not a blatant a plagiarism the similarities are giving me a deza vu,

[Procrastinating Gamer]

night4님이 먼저 게시:

Half of what's in Wrath is a blatant reference to something else in a popular CRPG of the past. The kobold Bard = Deekin, Irabeth = Aribeth, Blackwater = the Mind Flayer Dungeon... etc. There are so many of these "references" it's not even funny.

Only one of those was from the original module though - Blackwater is a backer dungeon Owlcat made for the game and the Kobold (if it's the one I'm thinking of, I only ran across him once so far) wasn't in the tabletop version.

This does have me tempted to go on a bit of a google hunt on the Paizo boards to see if anyone else made the Irabeth/Aribeth connection before. I mean I wouldn't put a reference like that past Paizo's writers, they like to have a little fun like that now and then, but it could also just be coincidence.

Either way; Irabeth is Paizo's creation but Blackwater and the kobold bloke are just Owlcat.

Fell님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, made a post about this some time ago too. The moment I "met" Irabeth the thought crossed my mind. Soooo many similarities, names and paladins and type of partner and vibe.. it's the same character, redone as lesbian orc.

Irabeth is a half-orc, BTW.

[Frostfeather]

Procrastinating Gamer님이 먼저 게시:

Either way; Irabeth is Paizo's creation but Blackwater and the kobold bloke are just Owlcat.

That's... about what I expected, honestly. I really doubted Paizo would have let there be so many glaring references in a single adventure path.

[Procrastinating Gamer]

night4님이 먼저 게시:

Procrastinating Gamer님이 먼저 게시:

Either way; Irabeth is Paizo's creation but Blackwater and the kobold bloke are just Owlcat.

That's... about what I expected, honestly. I really doubted Paizo would have let there be so many glaring references in a single adventure path.

They usually are more subtle about it, yeah, or they go for broke. Like part 1 of the Iron Gods Adventure Path is just an expanded love letter that old AD&D module, Expedition to the Barrier Peaks - similar enemies, similar hazards, no idea on the dungeon layout but you can see where they were going for inspiration for that first adventure in Numeria.

[Herr Glaube]

night4님이 먼저 게시:

Half of what's in Wrath is a blatant reference to something else in a popular CRPG of the past. The kobold Bard = Deekin, Irabeth = Aribeth, Blackwater = the Mind Flayer Dungeon... etc. There are so many of these "references" it's not even funny.

Meh, not seeing it. The kobold isn't even a bard, just some guy who talks to you and overall doesn't seem to have much relevance to anything. Blackwater doesn't really remind me of the Mindflayer dungeon, either, and it was a backer creation, which puts it as yet another creator than the kobold.

It's easy to see similarities when you're actively searching for them. That doesn't mean they were put there on purpose.

[Frostfeather]

Herr Glaube님이 먼저 게시:

night4님이 먼저 게시:

Half of what's in Wrath is a blatant reference to something else in a popular CRPG of the past. The kobold Bard = Deekin, Irabeth = Aribeth, Blackwater = the Mind Flayer Dungeon... etc. There are so many of these "references" it's not even funny.

Meh, not seeing it. The kobold isn't even a bard, just some guy who talks to you and overall doesn't seem to have much relevance to anything. Blackwater doesn't really remind me of the Mindflayer dungeon, either, and it was a backer creation, which puts it as yet another creator than the kobold.

The kobold guy literally says he's a Bard.

And Blackwater could not be more similar to the Mind Flayer Dungeon if they tried. Mind control crowns? The big "machine" at the end? You're trapped inside, which is pretty rare for a dungeon. I mean, the map is even shaped similarly. If you're not seeing the similarities, you're deliberately ignoring them.

[Procrastinating Gamer]

night4님이 먼저 게시:

Herr Glaube님이 먼저 게시:

Meh, not seeing it. The kobold isn't even a bard, just some guy who talks to you and overall doesn't seem to have much relevance to anything. Blackwater doesn't really remind me of the Mindflayer dungeon, either, and it was a backer creation, which puts it as yet another creator than the kobold.

The kobold guy literally says he's a Bard.

And Blackwater could not be more similar to the Mind Flayer Dungeon if they tried. Mind control crowns? The big "machine" at the end? I mean, the map is even shaped similarly. If you're not seeing the similarities, you're deliberately ignoring them.

And, again, Blackwater was a Kickstarter backer-created dungeon, so even the similarities you are seeing aren't the fault of Owlcat - just the result of one Kickstarter backer pledging a lot and at least requesting a dungeon using a lot of tech from Numeria.

[Frostfeather]

Procrastinating Gamer님이 먼저 게시:

And, again, Blackwater was a Kickstarter backer-created dungeon, so even the similarities you are seeing aren't the fault of Owlcat - just the result of one Kickstarter backer pledging a lot and at least requesting a dungeon using a lot of tech from Numeria.

It doesn't really matter who's fault it is - it's still in the game.

And I wasn't pointing these things out to say "Owlcat sucks". I was just pointing out the similarities and thinking it's *slightly* lazy to have so many references all in one game.

If I wanted to focus on how "Owlcat sucks", I'd talk about the bugginess of their games and their inability to learn from mistakes the first time around. References within the game wouldn't even be in the top 10 problems they have.

[Fell]

Procrastinating Gamer님이 먼저 게시:

Fell님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, made a post about this some time ago too. The moment I "met" Irabeth the thought crossed my mind. Soooo many similarities, names and paladins and type of partner and vibe.. it's the same character, redone as lesbian orc.

Irabeth is a half-orc, BTW.

Ah, yes, I lazily didn't type out the "Half", since I figured everyone here played the game and knew. But yes, good eye there, she is indeed a HALF-orc.
My point still stands tho.

[Procrastinating Gamer]

Fell님이 먼저 게시:

Procrastinating Gamer님이 먼저 게시:

Irabeth is a half-orc, BTW.

Ah, yes, I lazily didn't type out the "Half", since I figured everyone here played the game and knew. But yes, good eye there, she is indeed a HALF-orc.
My point still stands tho.

Sorry, I've just seen a fair few people mistake her for being a full orc due to how bloody massive she is.

[Conquista]

she is half orc and half golden shiny armor

[Lywelyn]

defo must be it, pretty sure everyone who played neverwinter night though to themselves "irabeth...aribeth... yeah no coincidence"

[Fell]

Procrastinating Gamer님이 먼저 게시:

Fell님이 먼저 게시:

Ah, yes, I lazily didn't type out the "Half", since I figured everyone here played the game and knew. But yes, good eye there, she is indeed a HALF-orc.
My point still stands tho.

Sorry, I've just seen a fair few people mistake her for being a full orc due to how bloody massive she is.

If I'm not mistaken there is even early dialogue about her being half orc in the game, should those people be unfamiliar with PF.

[revan1229]

provokastoras님이 먼저 게시:

Both are in love with their lord's /lady's spymaster.

Fenthick wasn't Nasher's spymaster, Aarin was. ....Am I missing something there?

[Poppers]

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Herr Glaube님이 먼저 게시:

Frankly, i'd say this is asking in the wrong place. She's from the original Tabletop module.

Yes because Neverwinter Nights totally wasn't a 3.5ed game, which PF is based on.

The first (Bioware) Neverwinter Nights had 3.0 rules.

[CyberAngel]

The similarity between the names and the paladin and the protector had me instantly guessing also. So you must be right.