Looking for a quarterstaff master build

[dmsephiroth]

Hi there,

in addition to my thread at the GOG-Forum i wanna ask here too:
Anyone wanna share or have a quarterstaff master build please?
With all feats, mythic paths and so on?
Prefere human no tiefling and maybe trickster/azata path. But mythic path im rly open minded. Also prefere atleast 12-15lvls in quarterstaffmaster too push the staffdmg. Dunno what should be in there too, maybe some lvls of 2handed fighter or mutation warrior? Maybe vivisectonist.

Thanks in advance!

[Conquista]

mate listen, i'm not saying my build is optimal for unfair or something like this, but alot of people that chose to go melee with the rather more rp focused subclass like quarterstaff master, die because of low ac or not using magic optimal

so i rather recommend them to go with witch and dd for the early ac ramp and easy access to mage armor to at least survive close combat in early to midgame

[dmsephiroth]

And for quarterstaffs, there are atleast 1-2 that are rly ok like i mentioned before: Ruin and Ashmaker.

And i was not rly looking for a build for unfair, but its a bit sad that quarterstaff master is only a niche class here.

[Mr Fred]

He'd get all the ac he ne need in the world from being a monk and fighting defensively with crane style. With a proper pair of buffbots to support him it will pretty much cruise all the game even on Core.

This type of monk was already a powerhouse in Kingmaker with less tools available, its really not the "rp focused" bad build you make it to be.

All in all the extra few dmg dices from quartermaster monk are fluff, the bulk of your dmg come from the sheer amount of attack you do combined with power attack and now mythic power attack.

[Conquista]

Escrito originalmente por Mr Fred:

He'd get all the ac he ne need in the world from being a monk and fighting defensively with crane style. With a proper pair of buffbots to support him it will pretty much cruise all the game even on Core.

This type of monk was already a powerhouse in Kingmaker with less tools available, its really not the "rp focused" bad build you make it to be.

with archmage armor he will have enough ac, but without knowing if the guy wants to drink potions all the time or not i rather give people a buildin mage armor spell

and considering that you linked to a unfair building guide for kingmaker from ineffect and his unfair building guide for wotr has at the current moment no quarterstaff master focused build, i would consider that subclass more rp focused which is fine not everybody plays on unfair

[BIG E.]

Escrito originalmente por Cartesii:

And for quarterstaffs, there are atleast 1-2 that are rly ok like i mentioned before: Ruin and Ashmaker.

Well i have to disagree here. Ruin is a great staff for a spellcaster. But a terrible +5 melee weapon for a martial class.

Ashmaker is little bit better than that but it is still a terrible martial weapon for a +4.

Both staffs here are not end game worthy for a melee damage class.

Like literally check any +4-5 Greataxe-Greatsword in the game. That's what you call an endgame weapon.

And i hate this i really do. I hate the fact that Owlcat did not bring any decent melee end game Quarterstaffs with this game. But there is no point in lying to ourselves here it is what it is.

Edit: Yeah apperantly Ruin isn't that bad, i remember it as a sonic damage for some reason apperantly it was force wich is not terrible, yeah my bad. But still could be better.

[Mr Fred]

Escrito originalmente por Khorne:

And i hate this i really do. I hate the fact that Owlcat did not bring any decent melee end game Quarterstaffs with this game. But there is no point in lying to ourselves here it is what it is.

Again the best weapon in the game by a mile is Finnean and its a quarterstaff if you want.

[BIG E.]

Escrito originalmente por Mr Fred:

Escrito originalmente por Khorne:

And i hate this i really do. I hate the fact that Owlcat did not bring any decent melee end game Quarterstaffs with this game. But there is no point in lying to ourselves here it is what it is.

Again the best weapon in the game by a mile is Finnean and its a quarterstaff if you want.

This is probably true.

Also does Finnean get tags like Cold Iron or Adamantine as Quarterstaff ? It shows in the small text but doesn't say in the large text for some reason when he is a Quarterstaff.

[Conquista]

the +5 version of quarterstaff finnean gets brilliant energy and thats it

[djinnxy]

Escrito originalmente por Cartesii:

Ah right i forgot the ring thanks.
And why is vitalstrike outside of charing a waste? I rly love it at my current mutationonlywarrior very much.

It's alright if you're just intentionally trying to one shot everything. I have a build for that with vulpine pounce from stealth that just wrecks about everything. It rarely misses or fails to kill everything in one shot.

That said though, it's feat intensive and not necessary. You can kill almost anything in a round or 2 solo melee, let alone with a six person party. And that's with double stats on unfair and extra mobs and abilities.

[CHAO$$$]

Escrito originalmente por Mr Fred:

Escrito originalmente por Khorne:

And i hate this i really do. I hate the fact that Owlcat did not bring any decent melee end game Quarterstaffs with this game. But there is no point in lying to ourselves here it is what it is.

Again the best weapon in the game by a mile is Finnean and its a quarterstaff if you want.

The biggest issue with quarterstaff (and a lot of other monk weapons) is its innate crit range of 20 and thats irredeemable. (+ lowest possible crit mod - not exactly a scythe situation - and thats besides the fact that crit range is way better than high crit mod since most of scythes crit mod just goes into overkill damage anyway.. but i digress..).

Still suggesting just going Sohei with fauchard. Max crit range, reach weapon. Its basically a stick but it wont suck balls.

[Miskatonic]

I always thought the draw of quarterstaff and unarmed monk was that the damage would scale with your monk level, where fauchard with sohei wouldn't. Or is the damage scaling not actually that good, I haven't looked at the actual numbers.

[CHAO$$$]

Escrito originalmente por Miskatonic:

I always thought the draw of quarterstaff and unarmed monk was that the damage would scale with your monk level, where fauchard with sohei wouldn't. Or is the damage scaling not actually that good, I haven't looked at the actual numbers.

Its not that good. Its definitely not good enough to make up for the fact that youre using a weapon with a crit range of 20 especially considering how much damage you can get from sources that arent your weapon dice and even more so on a 2H weapon.

Besides monk levels after 11 are really really questionable.

[djinnxy]

Which ironically is the same crit as improved unarmed strike. I would say it's fairly balanced with the fisters. It's just you can do different things with a quarterstaff master.

[CHAO$$$]

Escrito originalmente por djinnxy:

Which ironically is the same crit as improved unarmed strike. I would say it's fairly balanced with the fisters. It's just you can do different things with a quarterstaff master.

Fist monk is not great to begin with for sure. Id probably still pick Fauchard over it. Sohei is just the better monk if you want to actually level the class.

You lose style strike and stunning fist by not running unarmed if i remember correctly which are 2 actually useful features. Just that with quarterstaff you get literally nothing in return except a really crappy flavour weapon.

[djinnxy]

I guess I'd just have to disagree that it's patently better or worse. You get size increases to the weapon which you don't with the other. You get 2 free combat maneuvers at the start of each flurry at 15. I can't see how a trip, sunder, cornugan smash on the first hit would put it at lower than any of the other monk classes.

As far as crits go it does enough damage w/o for even the most difficult enemies. It's just redundant after that to have more. Sure crits are nice at level 5 or something. Later levels it doesn't matter as much. Besides I do plan on running as a trickster which would give it 14 or 15 to 20 X4 or X5. More than enough.