Crusader vs Cleric

[Insanity_184]

I want a more front line cleric for my Azata playthru. Don’t really like warpriest so in kingmaker the reason crusader was a bad choice was the loss of a spell slot and a domain.

With enduring spell line one of those seems irrelevant so if it’s just a loss of domain is it better than cleric if I want things for the extra feats?

[Immortal Reaver]

You can get any Domain with Mythic abilities too. And yes every domain, no matter the god.
There are also abundant casting Mythic abilities too, which gives you 4 more slots for each levels.
So, If it is frontline then yes Crusader is great.

Even in Kingmaker Crusader was good frontline shield basher.

[Indure]

In all honesty I think you will still break even. The bonus feats for the crusader are from a very limited list that provide little bonuses for the losses incurred. A single dip of fighter on a normal cleric nets 3-4 of the feats a crusader would be getting as their bonuses.

You said you thought about a warpriest, but did you consider a battle oracle? It seems like a better version of a crusader.

[Insanity_184]

Originally posted by Indure:

In all honesty I think you will still break even. The bonus feats for the crusader are from a very limited list that provide little bonuses for the losses incurred. A single dip of fighter on a normal cleric nets 3-4 of the feats a crusader would be getting as their bonuses.

You said you thought about a warpriest, but did you consider a battle oracle? It seems like a better version of a crusader.

I think the only issue with that is yes you get the feats but you delay all spell levels by one, not to bad i guess. Ill take a look at oracle i never have given it much thought tbh but the compainion is pretty good

[Mrmarko123]

Taking a dip into another class makes you drop the capstone & some highest tier spell slots potentially.

While I do think sometimes a single level dip can be good, with impossible domain mythic feat you can potentially obtain a couple of capstone domain skills (elemental ones for example).

Crusader sub-class gets you 4 extra feats & access to weapon specialisation, greater focus & greater specialisation.

Baseline Cleric get's you an extra domain, or one mythic feat extra (as that's the cost). Is it worth trying 4 feats for 1 mythic fear (if those feats can ignore requirements such as shield bash/great focus & specialisation?)

Yes, if you want to go angel mythic & optimise for melee damage.
No if you want to go angel mythic and optimise for casting.

It's a toss up really, herald caller is also interesting if you want to go heavy armour focus - with max summoning - but there are plenty of options.

Community/Animal domains are the best - so make sense for baseline cleric with ranged. For melee it depends on if you want more pets or have enough already - if you don't want more, crusader is a viable choice.

[Shinno]

As for me I think a crusader cleric should take destruction and then the nobility domain via mythic and voilà you can hit hard, tank and support with some good spells. Shield bash and negative channels also helps. My 2 cents.
edit: the darkness domain also an option.