chaotic good lich?

[Esperiano]

is it possible?
If I go lich path do I have to be 100% evil?
do I lose anything if I take the evil path and then act toward building my alignment back to chaotic good?

[Kasa]

There will be a quest to shift your alignment, idk the specifics but some people say LN or N is enough.

[Esperiano]

but what do I lose If I don't keep the alignment?
What if I do the quest, go N, take the lich path, and take ALL the CN choice thereafter?
Will I lose my myth path? will I keep it and lose the powers?

[jsaving]

Originally posted by Esperiano:

is it possible?
If I go lich path do I have to be 100% evil?
do I lose anything if I take the evil path and then act toward building my alignment back to chaotic good?

In the Pathfinder universe, people ascend to lichdom by fully and unconditionally embracing evil and corruption, just as people ascend to paladinhood by fully and unconditionally embracing lawful goodness. Wanting to be a chaotic good lich makes as much sense as wanting to be a chaotic evil paladin. You would never be able to hurt people on the massive scale needed to become a lich if your convictions were truly CG, any more than you could live honorably and selflessly if your convictions were truly CE.

Unless you aren't interested in role-playing and are just wondering if it is mechanically possible to have all the powers of a lich while seeing a chaotic good alignment on your character sheet? I don't know the answer to that but surely someone who's played around with toy box could weigh in.

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by jsaving:

Originally posted by Esperiano:

is it possible?
If I go lich path do I have to be 100% evil?
do I lose anything if I take the evil path and then act toward building my alignment back to chaotic good?

In the Pathfinder universe, people ascend to lichdom by fully and unconditionally embracing evil and corruption, just as people ascend to paladinhood by fully and unconditionally embracing lawful goodness. Wanting to be a chaotic good lich makes as much sense as wanting to be a chaotic evil paladin. You would never be able to hurt people on the massive scale needed to become a lich if your convictions were truly CG, any more than you could live honorably and selflessly if your convictions were truly CE.

Unless you aren't interested in role-playing and are just wondering if it is mechanically possible to have all the powers of a lich while seeing a chaotic good alignment on your character sheet? I don't know the answer to that but surely someone who's played around with toy box could weigh in.

Hard to say, but I think the vibe it sounds like they're going for is the same as those Chaotic Good Elven Liches that were in... some setting or another. Was that Pathfinder or Forgotten Realms? Anyways, that'd be my guess.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

Originally posted by jsaving:

In the Pathfinder universe, people ascend to lichdom by fully and unconditionally embracing evil and corruption, just as people ascend to paladinhood by fully and unconditionally embracing lawful goodness. Wanting to be a chaotic good lich makes as much sense as wanting to be a chaotic evil paladin. You would never be able to hurt people on the massive scale needed to become a lich if your convictions were truly CG, any more than you could live honorably and selflessly if your convictions were truly CE.

Unless you aren't interested in role-playing and are just wondering if it is mechanically possible to have all the powers of a lich while seeing a chaotic good alignment on your character sheet? I don't know the answer to that but surely someone who's played around with toy box could weigh in.

Hard to say, but I think the vibe it sounds like they're going for is the same as those Chaotic Good Elven Liches that were in... some setting or another. Was that Pathfinder or Forgotten Realms? Anyways, that'd be my guess.

Baelnorn, some D&D setting, I forget which one.

[Pwncakeroflsauce]

in the game if you want to be a lich you HAVE to be at least neutral , i was neutral good and when i tried to be a lich i received a quest to become neutral or evil. instead of that i just retrained and put myself as true neutral. i have no idea if you can ♥♥♥♥ up your lich mythic path if you go back to good after that... you could try it by saving then retrained yourself into chaotic good and see if anything go wrong. for me i just try to stay neutral.. if i see im on the verge of turning good i just retrain.

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by Pwncakeroflsauce:

in the game if you want to be a lich you HAVE to be at least neutral , i was neutral good and when i tried to be a lich i received a quest to become neutral or evil. instead of that i just retrained and put myself as true neutral. i have no idea if you can ♥♥♥♥ up your lich mythic path if you go back to good after that... you could try it by saving then retrained yourself into chaotic good and see if anything go wrong. for me i just try to stay neutral.. if i see im on the verge of turning good i just retrain.

I already experimented with this for my Neutral Good Aeon character. If you try to respec into an alignment barred by your path, it shifts you to the next closest one. So I respecced to Lawful Neutral, finished the quest, went back to respect to Neutral Good, and it put me at Lawful Good instead.

[Miskatonic]

Even in the context of the mythic quests themselves it's not going to make sense to be good. You do some pretty abhorrent stuff.

[jsaving]

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

Hard to say, but I think the vibe it sounds like they're going for is the same as those Chaotic Good Elven Liches that were in... some setting or another. Was that Pathfinder or Forgotten Realms? Anyways, that'd be my guess.

Yeah, that would be the Forgotten Realms, where liches don't have to channel evil as part of their transformation.

[Kasa]

To be fair, they don't have to in pathfinder ether, the ritual to become a lich doesn't exit as a mechanic it's pure DM fait and so can be as good or evil as the DM decrees.
The lich template itself says any evil but thats when applying it to a npc not a pc.

Other then that there are no cannon good lichs in pathfinder's setting but nothing on Table Top is stopping the player from being one.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by jsaving:

Originally posted by Esperiano:

is it possible?
If I go lich path do I have to be 100% evil?
do I lose anything if I take the evil path and then act toward building my alignment back to chaotic good?

In the Pathfinder universe, people ascend to lichdom by fully and unconditionally embracing evil and corruption, just as people ascend to paladinhood by fully and unconditionally embracing lawful goodness. Wanting to be a chaotic good lich makes as much sense as wanting to be a chaotic evil paladin. You would never be able to hurt people on the massive scale needed to become a lich if your convictions were truly CG, any more than you could live honorably and selflessly if your convictions were truly CE.

Unless you aren't interested in role-playing and are just wondering if it is mechanically possible to have all the powers of a lich while seeing a chaotic good alignment on your character sheet? I don't know the answer to that but surely someone who's played around with toy box could weigh in.

equating a paladin to a Lich is a bit disingenuous. You dont become a lich by embracing evil. You do it with alot of work and effort. unlike a paladin

[Total Overkill]

Originally posted by jsaving:

In the Pathfinder universe, people ascend to lichdom by fully and unconditionally embracing evil and corruption, just as people ascend to paladinhood by fully and unconditionally embracing lawful goodness. Wanting to be a chaotic good lich makes as much sense as wanting to be a chaotic evil paladin. You would never be able to hurt people on the massive scale needed to become a lich if your convictions were truly CG, any more than you could live honorably and selflessly if your convictions were truly CE.

*points at 2 named succubi in this very game that defy the alignment rules despite being made of literal chaos and evil*

[Zuul]

Originally posted by Kasa:

To be fair, they don't have to in pathfinder ether, the ritual to become a lich doesn't exit as a mechanic it's pure DM fait and so can be as good or evil as the DM decrees.
The lich template itself says any evil but thats when applying it to a npc not a pc.

Other then that there are no cannon good lichs in pathfinder's setting but nothing on Table Top is stopping the player from being one.

Rituals to become a lich DO exist. Stop looking at the overly simplistic Wikipedia entry.

An excerpt from the Eternal Apotheosis ritual…

“The depraved path to becoming a lich is a deeply personal experience for those who dare tread it. All spellcasters seeking such a goal must spend months, and more frequently years, gathering eldritch knowledge and conducting fell experiments to research the myriad routes to undeath. Even then, it is exceedingly rare for two liches to have achieved immortality in the exact same way, although their motivations—incredible power without the limitations of a mortal body—are often quite similar.

This ritual represents just one way some liches have transferred their souls into phylacteries. Other rituals tied to lichdom involve bargains or liaisons with evil outsiders, caster-created alchemical tinctures infused with the energy of loved ones’ souls, and other such trying necessities. Although heinously evil, the eternal apotheosis occult ritual is perhaps the most direct way to achieve lichdom.”

So outside of this example (which involves dozens of unwilling participants being utterly annihilated unless they survive 20d6 damage), you have bargains with evil outsiders, and drinking your loved ones souls that you yourself harvested and brewed into a potion.

Becoming a Lich in Pathfinder is EVIL, always.

[Kasa]

Originally posted by Zuul:

Originally posted by Kasa:

To be fair, they don't have to in pathfinder ether, the ritual to become a lich doesn't exit as a mechanic it's pure DM fait and so can be as good or evil as the DM decrees.
The lich template itself says any evil but thats when applying it to a npc not a pc.

Other then that there are no cannon good lichs in pathfinder's setting but nothing on Table Top is stopping the player from being one.

Rituals to become a lich DO exist. Stop looking at the overly simplistic Wikipedia entry.

An excerpt from the Eternal Apotheosis ritual…

“The depraved path to becoming a lich is a deeply personal experience for those who dare tread it. All spellcasters seeking such a goal must spend months, and more frequently years, gathering eldritch knowledge and conducting fell experiments to research the myriad routes to undeath. Even then, it is exceedingly rare for two liches to have achieved immortality in the exact same way, although their motivations—incredible power without the limitations of a mortal body—are often quite similar.

This ritual represents just one way some liches have transferred their souls into phylacteries. Other rituals tied to lichdom involve bargains or liaisons with evil outsiders, caster-created alchemical tinctures infused with the energy of loved ones’ souls, and other such trying necessities. Although heinously evil, the eternal apotheosis occult ritual is perhaps the most direct way to achieve lichdom.”

So outside of this example (which involves dozens of unwilling participants being utterly annihilated unless they survive 20d6 damage), you have bargains with evil outsiders, and drinking your loved ones souls that you yourself harvested and brewed into a potion.

Becoming a Lich in Pathfinder is EVIL, always.

You are looking at alternative rules, I was looking at the srd:
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/lich/

alt rules are only there if the DM wan't to use them and are not the default.

Becoming a Lich in Pathfinder is what ever the DM want's it to be, always.

[Zuul]

Originally posted by Kasa:

You are looking at alternative rules, I was looking at the srd:
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/lich/

alt rules are only there if the DM wan't to use them and are not the default.

You said, and I quote, “the ritual to become a lich doesn’t exist as a mechanic”.

Pathfinder Campaign Setting:Occult Realms is most definitely an official Pathfinder product, and most definitely contains mechanical rules for becoming a lich. If for some bizarre reason you want to argue that sourcebooks outside the System Reference Document don’t exist for purposes of game rules…..yeah, not even sure how to respond to that.