Camelia. Is she melee or range?

[joonkimdmd]

She can use a bad shield, and bad armor. And her weapon is also bad.
I think she is good as a healer.
What really is she good at? And if she is a caster, should I give her a crossbow so that she doesn’t enter melee range and die early?

[Lightning]

I use Camellia as range

[joonkimdmd]

How is Camilia a tank if her armor is light and the shield is also bad? Is it because of her dex? If so, isn’t it better to make a new character in her class who has higher dex?

[Damedius]

I don't like having her in melee because she is squishy. If I were to keep her in my party I would make her ranged.

[NixAhmose]

Originally posted by joonkimdmd:

How is Camilia a tank if her armor is light and the shield is also bad? Is it because of her dex? If so, isn’t it better to make a new character in her class who has higher dex?

Light armor allows her to add more of her dex(ie, her highest and most important stat) to her ac while not adding too much of a penalty to her spell-casting, her shield provides her extra ac while also not penalizing her spell-casting that much, she can get a hex called iceplant that innately increases her ac, she can an amulet early on that doubles her ac bonus from iceplant, she can get a hex called battleward that also boosts her and her allies' ac by 3(though this goes down by one every time a person with battleward is targeted by an attack), and then there's plenty of ac bonus boosting rings that you can give.

By level 4 or 5, her ac should be at least 28, and it will only get higher the better her dex gets and the better light armor/shields you give her.

EDIT: About the mercenary thing, not only is that very expensive to do but you can also use that logic for every companion in the game save for maybe the succubus character. None of these characters are min-maxed to their highest potential since their stats are designed to both reflect their actual character the most and be spread evenly enough so the player can have more flexibility to customize them more.

[Edstyles]

Nah she is fine as she is tho if U go human at the start plus aldori fighter youd get plus 2 ac and initiative plus a better early game but not a big deal . The rapier has high crit so at least it has that.
Also you can use shield scrolls on her for extra tankiness

[toon77]

just get a merc instead... xD

[bah]

Camelia has awesome AC. She gets +4 AC with Iceplant and the Iceplant special ring in Kenabres. With a Mithril Chain shirt allowing +6 dex bonus, she has the highest AC in my party at level 7. Others have already mentioned her amazing crit chance, and some of her hexes are very powerful.

[Hideka Valheim]

Originally posted by joonkimdmd:

She can use a bad shield, and bad armor. And her weapon is also bad.
I think she is good as a healer.
What really is she good at? And if she is a caster, should I give her a crossbow so that she doesn’t enter melee range and die early?

Camellia is actually an INSANELY durable front line fighter. once you get her later level spirit infusions, your rapier will basically always have Speed +2d6, or Speed +3d6 depending on if it has base speed enchant or not. She handles 90% of your critical party buffing, and hits exceptionally hard for being a buffer. AC Wise she can easily get into the upper 60's to 80's with the right picks.

once you get to the point where you can pick a second spirit for her, you can pick wind spirit, which gives you a far superior version of Mage armor, and at level 12 she will have an incredibly high base AC from that spell, and can even cast magical vestment on herself, and it actually counts even tho shes not actually wearing armor, for even more AC.

[Llama]

Originally posted by NixAhmose:

Originally posted by joonkimdmd:

How is Camilia a tank if her armor is light and the shield is also bad? Is it because of her dex? If so, isn’t it better to make a new character in her class who has higher dex?

Light armor allows her to add more of her dex(ie, her highest and most important stat) to her ac while not adding too much of a penalty to her spell-casting, her shield provides her extra ac while also not penalizing her spell-casting that much, she can get a hex called iceplant that innately increases her ac, she can an amulet early on that doubles her ac bonus from iceplant, she can get a hex called battleward that also boosts her and her allies' ac by 3(though this goes down by one every time a person with battleward is targeted by an attack), and then there's plenty of ac bonus boosting rings that you can give.

By level 4 or 5, her ac should be at least 28, and it will only get higher the better her dex gets and the better light armor/shields you give her.

EDIT: About the mercenary thing, not only is that very expensive to do but you can also use that logic for every companion in the game save for maybe the succubus character. None of these characters are min-maxed to their highest potential since their stats are designed to both reflect their actual character the most and be spread evenly enough so the player can have more flexibility to customize them more.

She's a wisdom caster so she ignores the arcane spell failure mechanic on armor and shields. :D

But yeah, don't forget to buff her up with spells like Bear's Endurance, False Life, and Stone Skin before a fight. Protection from Alignment (usually Evil/Chaotic in this case) gives her +2 AC vs a chosen alignment, but it's a deflection bonus so it doesn't stack with a shield. Cat's Grace can give her a Dexterity boost, but it doesn't stack with a dexterity belt. Magic Vestment increases the enhancement bonus of your armor or shield by 1 for every 4 caster levels she has.

Edit: Kinda forgot that higher tier stat belts come with constitution too so if your belt has a Con bonus, Bear's Endurance won't stack with it.

[Hideka Valheim]

Originally posted by Damedius:

I don't like having her in melee because she is squishy. If I were to keep her in my party I would make her ranged.

Play light cross bow until level5, and then melee. She actually gets the highest AC in your entire party, unless you have a very creative main character Scaled fist magus monk melee set up for minmaxing AC. IIRC a good one is like Eldritch Scion> Scaled Fist setup designed to minmax ac.

you can really run camellia as a pure shaman end to end, and she wont disappoint. Specially not if you give your whole front line the 'out flank' feat. She gets access to 'keen' property very early, and gives herself like a 15-20 critical threat range, which gives her insane crit rates.

[Hideka Valheim]

Originally posted by Llama:

But yeah, don't forget to buff her up with spells like Bear's Endurance, False Life, and Stone Skin before a fight. Protection from Alignment (usually Evil/Chaotic in this case) gives her +2 AC vs a chosen alignment, but it's a deflection bonus so it doesn't stack with a shield. Cat's Grace can give her a Dexterity boost, but it doesn't stack with a dexterity belt. Magic Vestment increases the enhancement bonus of your armor or shield by 1 for every 4 caster levels she has.

Edit: Kinda forgot that higher tier stat belts come with constitution too so if your belt has a Con bonus, Bear's Endurance won't stack with it.

1. Shield bonus is NOT deflection bonus. you can safely use both a shield, and protection from alignment. In fact PFA is crucial to cameilia since she has access to two EXTREMELY good rings, giving her no space for the defelection stat in ring slot. She also cant unequip her neck barring her from Natural armor bonus as well, but her access to barkskin trivializes that.
2. Magic vestment, will also work with Air barrier, which is insane for armor late game, despite it not being an actual piece of armor. Air barrier actually qualifies as 'armor', making air barrier + magic vestment + Iceplant + gives her 17 AC for doing basically nothing and casting one spell.

Best thing you can do for camelia, is take second spirit, air spirit as her mythic pick at mythic 3. my camelia was at 54 AC by level 14

[Llama]

Originally posted by Hideka Valheim:

Originally posted by Llama:

But yeah, don't forget to buff her up with spells like Bear's Endurance, False Life, and Stone Skin before a fight. Protection from Alignment (usually Evil/Chaotic in this case) gives her +2 AC vs a chosen alignment, but it's a deflection bonus so it doesn't stack with a shield. Cat's Grace can give her a Dexterity boost, but it doesn't stack with a dexterity belt. Magic Vestment increases the enhancement bonus of your armor or shield by 1 for every 4 caster levels she has.

Edit: Kinda forgot that higher tier stat belts come with constitution too so if your belt has a Con bonus, Bear's Endurance won't stack with it.

1. Shield bonus is NOT deflection bonus. you can safely use both a shield, and protection from alignment. In fact PFA is crucial to cameilia since she has access to two EXTREMELY good rings, giving her no space for the defelection stat in ring slot. She also cant unequip her neck barring her from Natural armor bonus as well, but her access to barkskin trivializes that.
2. Magic vestment, will also work with Air barrier, which is insane for armor late game, despite it not being an actual piece of armor. Air barrier actually qualifies as 'armor', making air barrier + magic vestment + Iceplant + gives her 17 AC for doing basically nothing and casting one spell.

Best thing you can do for camelia, is take second spirit, air spirit as her mythic pick at mythic 3. my camelia was at 54 AC by level 14

Haha... whoops. There's just so many different types of bonuses; it can be quite confusing sometimes.

[Soul]

I turned Camilla into a summon spammer for boss fights where The boss was a pure brute with crazy melee attacks and i needed a sacrificial wall of fodder in front of me.

[The Konrad]

I gave her Cavalier (Beastmaster), now she brings a Sabretooth to the fight.
Can't wait for my zoo. So many pets...
Smilidon, Mastodon, Wenduag. Aaaah...

[Ghost]

multiclassed her into Archery Freebooter at level 2 and called it a day