Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

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Foolswalkin 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:09
Full-BAB Dips for Angel Oracle
Hello all.

I’m running an Angel Oracle (Purifier, Wolf Scarred, Battle) for my first play though to get a good-aligned baseline before I start making the world worse. I’m planning on 15 levels of Purifier, which will get me my 2nd Revelation of choice and the “1 round/level to full day” conversion with Greater Enduring spell. I’m looking for at least 2 levels of Paladin dip for Divine Grace, and 3 levels of other full BAB classes so I can get 4 attacks + bite. Anyone have any favorites? I’m sorta looking at Divine Guardian 3 Demonslayer Ranger 1 Arcane Enforcer Slayer 1, but I’m guessing there are other options I’m not considering.
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phadin 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:17 
I suggest one more level of Oracle, so you get access to level 8 spells at least. Oracle 16 will still give you +1 BAB as well. Oracle 17 is the last oracle level that would not grant BAB.

I suggest Monk for the defense if you don't mind losing your armor. Thats a very common level dip for a lot of characters. As oracles are charisma, you would go Scaled Fist, which uses Charisma instead of Wisdom.
Uzkin 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:21 
Is Wolf Scarred the optimal curse for Battle Purifier? What does it actually do in-game? I've been considering a similar char for my first game but I have no idea which curse to take...
CHAO$$$ 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:28 
1 level demonslayer (ranger) is a nobrainer
1 level bloodrager with serpent bloodline for bite + rage (possibly infinite rage mythic)
for sure

3 levels mutation warrior would be solid too for mutagen but it being mutually exclusive with 1 level demonslayer is a nono unless you really want the feats.

Slayer is kinda bad unless you already have sneak attacks to apply studied target passively.
最後修改者:CHAO$$$; 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:30
Selvokaz 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:32 
引用自 Uzkin
Is Wolf Scarred the optimal curse for Battle Purifier? What does it actually do in-game? I've been considering a similar char for my first game but I have no idea which curse to take...
its probably the most optimal regardless simply because they never implemented the penalty of losing your spell 25% of the time but not expending the spell slot. so its basically a curse with no down side, you gain a progressively stronger bite attack as a secondary attack. At 15th lv its 2d6+str i believe. So yeah for a melee oracle its probably your best option.
Foolswalkin 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:34 
引用自 phadin
I suggest one more level of Oracle, so you get access to level 8 spells at least. Oracle 16 will still give you +1 BAB as well. Oracle 17 is the last oracle level that would not grant BAB.

I suggest Monk for the defense if you don't mind losing your armor. Thats a very common level dip for a lot of characters. As oracles are charisma, you would go Scaled Fist, which uses Charisma instead of Wisdom.

I do like the Scaled Fist idea in theory, but Purifier gets armor training built in so I can have dex mod and high move speed on heavy armor.

I am combining spellbooks with Angel so my spellcasting should be fine, unless I don’t understand how that works.
Foolswalkin 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:35 
引用自 CHAO$$$
1 level demonslayer (ranger) is a nobrainer
1 level bloodrager with serpent bloodline for bite + rage (possibly infinite rage mythic)
for sure

3 levels mutation warrior would be solid too for mutagen but it being mutually exclusive with 1 level demonslayer is a nono unless you really want the feats.

Slayer is kinda bad unless you already have sneak attacks to apply studied target passively.

Thought about Bloodrager but I don’t want to be losing spells, and I already have a bite attack.

Fair point on Slayer.
Uzkin 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:36 
引用自 Selvokaz
引用自 Uzkin
Is Wolf Scarred the optimal curse for Battle Purifier? What does it actually do in-game? I've been considering a similar char for my first game but I have no idea which curse to take...
its probably the most optimal regardless simply because they never implemented the penalty of losing your spell 25% of the time but not expending the spell slot. so its basically a curse with no down side, you gain a progressively stronger bite attack as a secondary attack. At 15th lv its 2d6+str i believe. So yeah for a melee oracle its probably your best option.
I see, thanks for the info. :)
Foolswalkin 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:46 
That plus you get magic fang and greater magic fang to boost your bites. Given that I’m going for permanent buffs through the mythic enduring spell feats, seems like super magic bite with no downside is a good investment.

Hellbound is pretty good too, for fire immunity, but free bite works in every battle.
Super-XIX 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:48 
I'm also running a similar build (2 Paladin/16 Divine Herbalist with Nature+Battle mysteries/2 x?) and I was thinking about maybe picking up a level of Beast Rider Cavalier for a non-wolf/horse animal companion and then another level of something else. I'm not really sold on the Cavalier dip because the Wolf has served me pretty well so far and I doubt the other ACs are wildly better that I'd need to get a specific one.

That said, Demonslayer Ranger sounds perfect to grab later on. Maybe just a bog standard Fighter level for extra feats, in addition to the Ranger.
RocketMan 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 10:50 
引用自 Foolswalkin
引用自 phadin
I suggest one more level of Oracle, so you get access to level 8 spells at least. Oracle 16 will still give you +1 BAB as well. Oracle 17 is the last oracle level that would not grant BAB.

I suggest Monk for the defense if you don't mind losing your armor. Thats a very common level dip for a lot of characters. As oracles are charisma, you would go Scaled Fist, which uses Charisma instead of Wisdom.

I do like the Scaled Fist idea in theory, but Purifier gets armor training built in so I can have dex mod and high move speed on heavy armor.

I am combining spellbooks with Angel so my spellcasting should be fine, unless I don’t understand how that works.
oh? that's awesome
Foolswalkin 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 11:31 
Yeah, Purifier seems pretty badass. It’s like Oracle’s version of Crusader, but with armor training instead of weapons. You lose a lot of Revelations, but Battle’s weapon mastery and war sight just keep getting better over time. Also get Channel vs evil outsiders and a semi-panacea ability in Sin Eater. And being Aasimar-only is hardly a downside because they are amazing Oracles.

Just be sure to start out with a Background giving you the martial weapon of your choice and you’re good.
Miskatonic 2021 年 9 月 12 日 上午 11:49 
It's weird I'm playing essentially the same build, except I went nature so I could get a mount. It's like Walmart version of Cleric/Paladin, but with spontaneous casting which I prefer.

Having played with it for a bit, I'd probably go baseline Oracle and take a dip in Scaled fist. The armor feats don't seem worth what you give up.
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Foolswalkin 2021 年 9 月 12 日 下午 2:21 
引用自 Miskatonic
It's weird I'm playing essentially the same build, except I went nature so I could get a mount. It's like Walmart version of Cleric/Paladin, but with spontaneous casting which I prefer.

Having played with it for a bit, I'd probably go baseline Oracle and take a dip in Scaled fist. The armor feats don't seem worth what you give up.

That’s cool. I think Sin Eater and Channelling vs a super common enemy type on a Charisma class balance it out, and I have Animate Dead on myself and Cam (w Abundant Casting for her) so I don’t need a pet, but YMMV.

(I mean, I *would* think someone from your alma mater would recognize the value in being able to drive away evil outsiders, but I guess there’s more than one thing you can major in there.)
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jsaving 2021 年 9 月 12 日 下午 3:46 
If you pick a solid mystery, your final revelation will usually be more useful than getting that extra iterative attack on an oracle. Also keep in mind that you'll have an opportunity to get a second mystery later in the game as a mythic ability, which doubles the power loss from multiclassing an oracle.

If you want to do it anyway, I'd strongly suggest 16 levels of oracle rather than 15 so you can have an 8th level spell. Losing 9th level spells on a melee oracle isn't the end of the world but losing 8th as well is pretty painful.

What to take for those four levels? You could go paladin2/demonslayer1/ monk1 (scaled fist of course) if you wanted to mix and match. Or mutation warrior4 otherwise. You could even consider freebooter4 if you didn't spec any companions for that, so you get the AB while also providing valuable party utility. Good luck!
Midnight 2021 年 9 月 12 日 下午 3:50 
Oracles can already get CHA to AC (and CMB) through Nature mystery. There's no need to dip monk unless you are running a DEX Oracle for some reason.
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