Sage sorcerer = arcane bloodline with INT?

[Darsen-91]

If i select the sage sorcerer he has no feature, really nothing, no spell, no perks, nothing.
Is it a bug?
Should i see how is arcane bloodline and copy it in my mind?
(celestian/empyreal same iusses)

what i see in the progression table: https://ibb.co/kKv6tdP

I want be sure at 100%

[[ACES] Vas]

Not a bug, thats how a sage sorcerer is in the pen and paper Pathfinder too

[Darsen-91]

Originally posted by ACES Vas:

Not a bug, thats how a sage sorcerer is in the pen and paper Pathfinder too

So will i lose all the bonus spells (and sorcerer already know a few) simply to scale on INT ?

[The Silver Santana]

Originally posted by Darsen-91:

Originally posted by ACES Vas:

Not a bug, thats how a sage sorcerer is in the pen and paper Pathfinder too

So will i lose all the bonus spells (and sorcerer already know a few) simply to scale on INT ?

No, it should only replace arcane bond and the Arcana (better metamagic DC's) not the other features. If it's replacing everything, someone read the text wrong, or there is a glitch.

[Cirayu]

Originally posted by Darsen-91:

Originally posted by ACES Vas:

Not a bug, thats how a sage sorcerer is in the pen and paper Pathfinder too

So will i lose all the bonus spells (and sorcerer already know a few) simply to scale on INT ?

My assumption is if a caster uses Int instead of Charisma - you need the Int to get the benefits charisma would normally, example:

Kineticist uses Constitution for burn and the durations of their blasts ( for some reason they use Dex for DCs, which is.... very strange for a con caster imho)
But Psychokineticist uses Wisdom instead of Con, both for Burn and spells, so you'd have high wisdom INSTEAD of high con, since it uses Wisdom not con.

So an Int sorcerer would need Int, not Charisma.


Edit: It appears that the "bloodline feat" for the Sage Sorcerer is all to do with knowledge ( which I suppose makes sense, it's a Sage )
So the bloodline feats are:
Add lore nature, add lore religion, add knowledge world - to class skills ( 3 separate)

So if you choose Sage Sorcerer, and the background "Oblate - Healer" You can have Almost maximum in those 4 skills. - making them good for doing skill checks as a "well rounded- smart person"

[Morgian]

Sage sorcerer needs INT, not CHA. The divine sorcerer archetypes need WIS I think (wouldn't touch one). The sage has - only my opinion - the best archetype. The bonus spells are useful, and so are his features. He also gets a DC +2 on top of the feats for one school.

[Darsen-91]

Originally posted by The Silver Santana:

Originally posted by Darsen-91:

So will i lose all the bonus spells (and sorcerer already know a few) simply to scale on INT ?

No, it should only replace arcane bond and the Arcana (better metamagic DC's) not the other features. If it's replacing everything, someone read the text wrong, or there is a glitch.

this is what i see: https://ibb.co/kKv6tdP

nothing, no feature, no spell, nothing. That's why i am confusing.
so:
sage sorcere
=
sorcerer arcane bloodline, without + 1 dc on metamagic, without item to recharge spell, with arcane bolt, int and no cha.

am i right? does your game show the progression?

[Cirayu]

Originally posted by Darsen-91:

Originally posted by The Silver Santana:

No, it should only replace arcane bond and the Arcana (better metamagic DC's) not the other features. If it's replacing everything, someone read the text wrong, or there is a glitch.

this is what i see: https://ibb.co/kKv6tdP

nothing, no feature, no spell, nothing. That's why i am confusing.
so:
sage sorcere
=
sorcerer arcane bloodline, without + 1 dc on metamagic, without item to recharge spell, with arcane bolt, int and no cha.

am i right? does your game show the progression?

Sage Sorcerer - as I edited my comment earlier to say - i BELIEVE is "the smart character", where you can have maxed out Intelligence and the ability to do Skill checks for any Knowledge or Lore skills.

[Darsen-91]

Originally posted by Cirayu:

Sage Sorcerer - as I edited my comment earlier to say - i BELIEVE is "the smart character", where you can have maxed out Intelligence and the ability to do Skill checks for any Knowledge or Lore skills.

My problem, if you open the link, is that the game not show me anything about this subclass, only says to me that it scale on int and not on cha.
Do you have the full progression table in your game?

[Cirayu]

Originally posted by Darsen-91:

Originally posted by Cirayu:

Sage Sorcerer - as I edited my comment earlier to say - i BELIEVE is "the smart character", where you can have maxed out Intelligence and the ability to do Skill checks for any Knowledge or Lore skills.

My problem, if you open the link, is that the game not show me anything about this subclass, only says to me that it scale on int and not on cha.
Do you have the full progression table in your game?

No, but when you make the character, you can choose the feats at level 1 "blood line feat" etc, so i'm assuming that it's the same for the others. - This game isn't exactly great at class progression, e.g. Check Alchemist: Incense subclass - it doesn't say what incense does. I know it gives + 1 to stats like bard song, but only AFTER usingit and hovering over the icon, which is just bard song icon.

[Darsen-91]

Originally posted by Cirayu:

No, but when you make the character, you can choose the feats at level 1 "blood line feat" etc, so i'm assuming that it's the same for the others. - This game isn't exactly great at class progression, e.g. Check Alchemist: Incense subclass - it doesn't say what incense does. I know it gives + 1 to stats like bard song, but only AFTER usingit and hovering over the icon, which is just bard song icon.

Hope that they will fix the ui adding the informations.

[Cirayu]

Originally posted by Darsen-91:

Originally posted by Cirayu:

No, but when you make the character, you can choose the feats at level 1 "blood line feat" etc, so i'm assuming that it's the same for the others. - This game isn't exactly great at class progression, e.g. Check Alchemist: Incense subclass - it doesn't say what incense does. I know it gives + 1 to stats like bard song, but only AFTER usingit and hovering over the icon, which is just bard song icon.

Hope that they will fix the ui adding the informations.

Wouldn't hold my breath :/ - Kineticist doesn't say Elemental overload on ANY OF THEM, But all of them get it. the only "exceptions" are when it changes, sp psychokineticist and Elemental Engine, who don't get "elemental overload" but "Mental overload" and "Burnout" Respetively, - You only know Kineticist HAS elemental overload if you get to level 3, it then appears as an ability in the tab, but it's not listed.

[Darsen-91]

Originally posted by Cirayu:

Wouldn't hold my breath :/ - Kineticist doesn't say Elemental overload on ANY OF THEM, But all of them get it. the only "exceptions" are when it changes, sp psychokineticist and Elemental Engine, who don't get "elemental overload" but "Mental overload" and "Burnout" Respetively, - You only know Kineticist HAS elemental overload if you get to level 3, it then appears as an ability in the tab, but it's not listed.

For me it's a problem, i'm not a 100% expert of pathfinder, and i know that classes are not totally the same as in pnp.
About kineticist i was asking myself if they had removed that feature. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ UI.

[Cirayu]

Originally posted by Darsen-91:

If i select the sage sorcerer he has no feature, really nothing, no spell, no perks, nothing.
Is it a bug?
Should i see how is arcane bloodline and copy it in my mind?
(celestian/empyreal same iusses)

what i see in the progression table: https://ibb.co/kKv6tdP

I want be sure at 100%

Update - it "seems" Sage sorcerer uses the Arcane bloodline ( I cannot confirm as I don't have a sorcerer, just looking at the level ups) So, it's Arcane Sorcerer bloodline, that scales with Int instead of Charisma - and you can see what Arcane bloodline does on normal sorcerer and choosing Arcane.

Assuming this is what it is, it basically makes Sage Sorcerer " A wizard that doesn't need to memorise spells, but has less"

[Dominosugar]

It should use the arcane bloodline, slightly modified as the sage bloodline. But the class progression ui doesn't show the arcane bloodline features. Not sure if they're implemented or not. It definitely should have a bloodline.

[jsaving]

I can confirm that sage sorcerer uses the arcane bloodline, that is my current character.