Lawful good lich? Possible?

[Soldarc]

Can i become a lich as a lawfull good character? and if yes. Can i do all the lich stuff and still be lawfull good or do i need to aligment change to open up some powers/quests?

[Kurosu]

Some mythic paths require you to change your alligment in order to progress. I believe Lich is one of them .

Lawfull Good and lich are kind of a contradiction to be honest.

[Nepnep]

I totally understand that its a contradiction but it is also a shame. Would open up so many role play opportunities xD.

[Soldarc]

Originally posted by Kurosu:

Some mythic paths require you to change your alligment in order to progress. I believe Lich is one of them .

Lawfull Good and lich are kind of a contradiction to be honest.

Thats whats makes it a fun concept.. instead of the cookie mold "burr burr im an evil lich that wants to destroy the world"

[Angry Trash]

Sadly it doesn't seem like Archliches are in pathfinder

[Naked Granny]

Originally posted by Nepnep:

I totally understand that its a contradiction but it is also a shame. Would open up so many role play opportunities xD.

Ah yes. Of course.

The famous roleplay scenario in which you completely ignore all morals, ethics, logic and definitions of words in order to destroy the most fundamental premise of the game setting's metaphysical cosmology, history and lore.

[Soldarc]

Originally posted by Aunt Tony:

Originally posted by Nepnep:

I totally understand that its a contradiction but it is also a shame. Would open up so many role play opportunities xD.

Ah yes. Of course.

The famous roleplay scenario in which you completely ignore all morals, ethics, logic and definitions of words in order to destroy the most fundamental premise of the game setting's metaphysical cosmology, history and lore.

There are good aligned high elf liches in DnD.. espessially in Ebberon.. So the concept works.. I have not read all the lore of Pathfinder though, so the it might go against specific lich lore there... But powers are not inherantly good nor evil.. it depends on how you use them and to what end.

[edmek55555]

I never really got the whole "liches are evil thing honestly". So if I want to save the world and I see an opportunity to use the already dead to help do that, how is that just blatantly evil? You are using a resource for an altruistic purpose even if there is some grey are in using said resource. But hey, tropes say its evil so its evil lol. Sounds sort of lazy to me

[Angry Trash]

Originally posted by Soldarc:

There are good aligned high elf liches in DnD.. espessially in Ebberon.. So the concept works.. I have not read all the lore of Pathfinder though, so the it might go against specific lich lore there... But powers are not inherantly good nor evil.. it depends on how you use them and to what end.

Yeah, a Good Champion in life who turns lich in DND is an Archlich, which aren't in Pathfinder.

[Soft Lockpick]

Originally posted by edmek55555:

I never really got the whole "liches are evil thing honestly". So if I want to save the world and I see an opportunity to use the already dead to help do that, how is that just blatantly evil? You are using a resource for an altruistic purpose even if there is some grey are in using said resource. But hey, tropes say its evil so its evil lol. Sounds sort of lazy to me

In universe becoming a lich requires a lot of human sacrifice.

Lich isn't the same as Necromancer.

[edmek55555]

Originally posted by Soft Lockpick:

Originally posted by edmek55555:

I never really got the whole "liches are evil thing honestly". So if I want to save the world and I see an opportunity to use the already dead to help do that, how is that just blatantly evil? You are using a resource for an altruistic purpose even if there is some grey are in using said resource. But hey, tropes say its evil so its evil lol. Sounds sort of lazy to me

In universe becoming a lich requires a lot of human sacrifice.

Lich isn't the same as Necromancer.

Same logic applies. I sacrifice a bunch of murderers and low lifes in order to gain the power necessary to effectively fight for my altruistic purpose. Making things like that black and white is sort of just the writers imposing their own personal opinions into the lore. Which is totally their right, but being a lich isn't necessarily evil thing whichever way you spin it. In pathfinder it is evil because that is the rule. That's pretty much it

[Soldarc]

Originally posted by edmek55555:

Originally posted by Soft Lockpick:

In universe becoming a lich requires a lot of human sacrifice.

Lich isn't the same as Necromancer.

Same logic applies. I sacrifice a bunch of murderers and low lifes in order to gain the power necessary to effectively fight for my altruistic purpose. Making things like that black and white is sort of just the writers imposing their own personal opinions into the lore. Which is totally their right, but being a lich isn't necessarily evil thing whichever way you spin it. In pathfinder it is evil because that is the rule. That's pretty much it

I mean.. Iomede sacreficed thousends of angels to make the wardstones.. that evil little thing!

[Serpentarius]

while you can't be a good lich, you can be True Neutral, all the paths are avaiable for a True Neutral so the alginment cap is pretty soft, akin to that of a Cleric

[Soul]

I wonder if you can use a scroll to reset your alignment then go lawful good from there as a lich.

[Angry Trash]

Originally posted by edmek55555:

Originally posted by Soft Lockpick:

In universe becoming a lich requires a lot of human sacrifice.

Lich isn't the same as Necromancer.

Same logic applies. I sacrifice a bunch of murderers and low lifes in order to gain the power necessary to effectively fight for my altruistic purpose. Making things like that black and white is sort of just the writers imposing their own personal opinions into the lore. Which is totally their right, but being a lich isn't necessarily evil thing whichever way you spin it. In pathfinder it is evil because that is the rule. That's pretty much it

It is evil because in universe, the gods say it is evil. Of the good gods, at least half of the ones which are Lawful Good or accept it dictate the immediate acceptance of surrender or professing a desire to redeem oneself - even if the criminal is genuinely smirking and laughing and going "Your god says you must accept, RIGHT?" and the paladins and clerics sigh and begrudingly concede. (This happens in game, your paladin friend sighs and lets a cultist go after they ruin a funeral ceremony and try to slaughter a town. You can then immediately go "I sentence you to death for your crimes, your execution is to be carried out immediately" and then cut his head off and the paladin thanks you.)

Of the hundreds of human lives you would be required to sacrifice, they would have to be truly villainous for the gods to permit it and call it good.

[Soldarc]

Originally posted by Serpentarius:

while you can't be a good lich, you can be True Neutral, all the paths are avaiable for a True Neutral so the alginment cap is pretty soft, akin to that of a Cleric

Does that mean that you dont have to be of evil aligment to do the Lich specific quests to progress in the Lich mythic branch?