How to kill those brimorak on Gray Garrison?

[Agrael-]

So, im at a point at the second floor where i need to kill a lot of demons and two bloody ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Brimoraks. But here is the problem, now matter how much i lower the difficulty, it is just insane impossible. I just start eating two fireballs, then i get swarmed by everyone, then the next two breath attacks just kills the rest of the party. And its always the same no matter what i use.
And its not like scrolls of comunal protection of fire are lying around. Worse still, if you didint got any, then you cannot progress in the game, because you have to kill those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
And im not even starting with the stupid locust swarms and all the other encounters where i just didint face it because its impossible.
Like the shadow in Market, the two mimics and the alchemist, and the list goes on. The game goes from maneagable to absolute impossible hell in the next and it just frustates, because not even tunning in the difficulty you can manage. Its even worse than ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Pathfinder Kingmaker!
And i didint really thought they would *not* learn from the previous game. I want to know what the ♥♥♥♥ are those guys smoking, because ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ this game is unbalanced as ♥♥♥♥.

[Draken]

Messaggio originale di Agrael-:

Messaggio originale di Draken:

The tiefling thief? The one you find locked up in the basement of the tavern?

Nope. I left him there. Saw no reason whatsoever to let him out of that cage. Plus the last thing i need is a Thiefling running amok with a city full of demons... And by this point, i dont need a rogue in the party. With all the stupid damage im taking, he would die in the first two rounds. Even a Babau is giving insane amounts of damage. 3d6 each hit, they almost always hit, and if they focus on a target, its game over.

I mean, he isn't a rogue, expect in profession, he is an eldritch scoundrel. Even dragging him along just to buff other people with would be useful as long as your party isn't full.
Also the enemies are usually fixated on the first character they see, so if you put your character with the highest AC/hp/defensive options on the front they will usually leave your squishier ones alone to dish out tons of damage.

[Richter Belmont]

babaus hurt if they hit, sure, but you can counter that by, for example, having a character with good AC in front (it's extremely easy to make seelah a tank with more than 20 AC at that level and babaus' attack rating isnt that good) so they mostly just miss, or if they move past your fighters they'll open themselves up to a bunch of attacks of opportunity. also, ill give you a hot tip: taking 1 level in vivisectionist or a rogue on all of your fighter-type characters so they can learn how to sneak attack helps dramatically since sneak attacks also apply when more than one person is attacking the same target. as vivisectionist they also get a potion they can drink once per day that raises one of their physical stats by 2, making it maybe the best possible value level for anyone that wants to do physical damage.

[JonWoo]

Messaggio originale di Agrael-:

Messaggio originale di Beewo:

How are you dying on story difficulty? Even all bosses pretty much instantly die on that difficulty with no damage being done.

Havent tunned all the way down to story mode

Messaggio originale di Agrael-:

Messaggio originale di Jonwoo89:

At this point I'd recommending just turning all the difficulty sliders down.

Cant you read? *i did*.

Nice.

[Richter Belmont]

i think you'll probably have also found some scrolls of resist fire by that point in the game so you can have your local priestish character read those

[Beewo]

Messaggio originale di Agrael-:

Messaggio originale di Draken:

Like I said, the tiefling eldritch scoundrel has resist energy as ability, put that on your Chevalier. Prioritize taking out the Bremorak before he can get off more than one fireball.
If you are really stuck you can always lower the difficulty. Just set 'damage to party' to 20% and you should have no trouble with the fireballs anymore.

Tried that, the problem is that there is two of them with 4 more demons. They all fire their fireballs at the same time. I only have on chevalier and he cant one shot them. No one in the party can. Its just insane that you either get the spell or there is no way to progress that does not mean tunning it down to story mode.

Thats not true though, made it in Daring without any resist spells. Just nuked em before all went down

[Richter Belmont]

Messaggio originale di Beewo:

Messaggio originale di Agrael-:

Tried that, the problem is that there is two of them with 4 more demons. They all fire their fireballs at the same time. I only have on chevalier and he cant one shot them. No one in the party can. Its just insane that you either get the spell or there is no way to progress that does not mean tunning it down to story mode.

Thats not true though, made it in Daring without any resist spells. Just nuked em before all went down

yeah like i was trying to say, i just straight up ate two bremorak fireballs and lived without even casting resist fire at level 4ish, so im not sure what op is up to

[Richter Belmont]

Reflex Save For Half helps a lot

[Draken]

I mean, if you really arrived at that point in the game without the ability to take down these demons on the lowest difficulty setting, you have done a lot of things very wrong.

It's an assault on a fortification held by a lot of demons, so it's not too far of to assume you will encounter fire damage. In the market square you can encounter the same fireball throwing demon too. In the tavern there are merchants with potions and scrolls with fire resistance. You have access to a lot of different ways and tools to deal with that situation, if you brought none of them it's not really the games fault.

[Beewo]

Could it be that maybe you click revert instead of save when you're trying to lower the difficulty?

[Von Herbst]

Messaggio originale di Agrael-:

I multiclassed her so she would suck less and survive more. Downside? Cant use comunal version.

Well, i guess thats what we call a failur i guess.

I give this thread a 4 out of 10 on the baitingscale

[Gio]

I did the same test it was curious seeing that enemy casters really dgaf if you are playing on core ore or normal, if you fight 1 of those fireball spamming imps you will probaby die. If you fight 2 you have no chance. I went back with my angel powers and it was still pretty dangerous

[Beewo]

Messaggio originale di sugmballz:

I did the same test it was curious seeing that enemy casters really dgaf if you are playing on core ore or normal, if you fight 1 of those fireball spamming imps you will probaby die. If you fight 2 you have no chance. I went back with my angel powers and it was still pretty dangerous

You shouldnt have any angel powers yet. Are we talking about the same fight or am i misunderstanding something? The one im thinking of is the Grey Garrison when you try to get to the worldstone from the tavern.

[Naked Granny]

Messaggio originale di Draken:

Messaggio originale di Agrael-:

Nope. I left him there. Saw no reason whatsoever to let him out of that cage. Plus the last thing i need is a Thiefling running amok with a city full of demons... And by this point, i dont need a rogue in the party. With all the stupid damage im taking, he would die in the first two rounds. Even a Babau is giving insane amounts of damage. 3d6 each hit, they almost always hit, and if they focus on a target, its game over.

I mean, he isn't a rogue, expect in profession, he is an eldritch scoundrel. Even dragging him along just to buff other people with would be useful as long as your party isn't full.
Also the enemies are usually fixated on the first character they see, so if you put your character with the highest AC/hp/defensive options on the front they will usually leave your squishier ones alone to dish out tons of damage.

Not to mention, he's a Rogue, so he has Evasion.

Which means he's very likely to succeed on his Reflex save and take zero damage from those brimorak fireballs...

[Gio]

Messaggio originale di sugmballz:

Messaggio originale di Beewo:

You shouldnt have any angel powers yet. Are we talking about the same fight or am i misunderstanding something? The one im thinking of is the Grey Garrison when you try to get to the worldstone from the tavern.

You are exactly next to your free angel powers, go to the wardstone enjoy

[Naked Granny]

Messaggio originale di Agrael-:

The issue isnt fire. IT IS A FIREBALL. You know, those party wiping spells pcs abuse so much? Yeah. You dont throw them at a lv 5 party because the damage will wipe them out. It is common sense, something i think you lack by the way you think. A fireball is different form a firebolt, burning hands, etc. A Imp cant fireball, he can firebolt.
And answering the other one, i do know how to use a spell and i do read things. However, as stated before, putting not one, but two demons who can fireball at the same encounter in a closed enviroment for lvs 5 is a big no-no. Its the same as going to a forest and finding yourself a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dragon. Or, going into a basement and finding yourself a Shadow Demon. And i would bet 10 bucks that this encounter raped your sorry ass more than one time. You are just being a ♥♥♥♥ because thats your charming personality.

Fireball spells don't wipe parties that cast Resist Energy: Fire. Because fireball spells inflict fire typed damage. So the issue is indeed fire. And PCs don't abuse fireball spells much because they're not very powerful compared to any other SL3 spell.

If you knew how to use spells and you did read things, why wouldn't you know already about the Resist Energy spells? Because those brimoraks are only casting CL6 fireball spells. Which means 6d6 of fire damage. Which comes to 21 damage total. Which becomes only 10 damage if you had Resist Energy: Fire cast. Or none if you succeed on the reflex save.

Which a rogue like Woljif would be able to make almost guaranteed - and he has Evasion, so he'd take no damage on a successful save regardless of whether he's resistant to fire. Which he is because he's a basic Tiefling.

And no, I have not had any difficulties with any of the encounters so far. Because I know how to use a rogue to stealthily scout ahead and prepare my resources accordingly.

Such as, for example, casting Resist Energy: Fire on my party when I see two brimoraks ahead.