LIch: Real Immortality?

[Goodyear]

Does anyone know how close to a real Lich the games version will be, like will it have the phylactery mechanic, or would that be too "powerful"?

[zero]

Originally posted by Goodyear:

Originally posted by zero:

you were answered, there is no philo mechanic, cause its not your traditional lich

You didn't answer anything, you're arguing mechanics for the tabletop

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Goodyear:

No, but the mechanics to become a lich exist, so it's pretty much the same thing

? the fact that we don't adhere to the mechanics to become a lich is literally why they're not the same thing.

its two things of the same name, the Lich that we are all talking about, the monster type/template, and then Lich: the mystic path, which doesn't adhere to the same fundamental rules, and doesnt' really have a philo

? ok chief

[Goodyear]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Goodyear:

You didn't answer anything, you're arguing mechanics for the tabletop

Originally posted by zero:

? the fact that we don't adhere to the mechanics to become a lich is literally why they're not the same thing.

its two things of the same name, the Lich that we are all talking about, the monster type/template, and then Lich: the mystic path, which doesn't adhere to the same fundamental rules, and doesnt' really have a philo

? ok chief

You're being a pedantic ♥♥♥♥ about how the tabletop version works, when I clearly asked about how Lich's are going to work in the video game.

[krwr12]

You are not a lich in the game, you're on the path of becoming one if you choose so.

[★ PENTA Vivian ★]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by zero:

well im not sure what hes talking about in terms of something besides a phylactery.

but it doesn't nessiarily need to be a box as is common, it can also take the form of jewlery, such as rings or amulets, its hardness/hp will be the same, but probably easier to hide a ring then it is to hide a box.

Baelnorns are liches who are sustained through the power of the elven gods. No need for a phylactery, or to consume souls in order to sustain yourself.

Of course, only elves have the ability to become a Baelnorn, thus proving once again they are superior to the other races.

Consuming souls is just D&D thing.

[solthusx]

Originally posted by Goodyear:

Originally posted by zero:

? ok chief

You're being a pedantic ♥♥♥♥ about how the tabletop version works, when I clearly asked about how Lich's are going to work in the video game.

And the answer is no one knows because no one has seen how the Mythic Paths progress in Act 5. But datamining has revealed a weapon labeled as 'Your Phylactery', your guess is as good as mine as to what that implies.

[★ PENTA Vivian ★]

Originally posted by r_collins36:

Plus, that wouldn't explain why all your companions are back "alive" and you have all your gear back. Seriously, you would like it if you reformed naked back at your keep having lost all your stuff?

That's why you astral project from a demiplane, the stuff on your dead body was also just a projection.

[Echo]

Played some table top dnd recently and a bbeg lich in one the campaigns was killable but his phylactery had been very well hidden, as in, in another dimension on some remote planet. This made him effectively impossible to kill permanently and would have to be the most powerful feature of a lich transformation.

So... I didn't read the entire thread tbh but is there no phylactery mechanic so far? Not a deal breaker but I was wondering where they went with that. Creatively hiding your phylactery could have been funny or it might have opened up a lot RP possibilities.

[The Hat]

I would guess if its for a party member, the character will just res at the end of the battle.
Unless they are the last one standing, in which case it'll be a gameover.

[Darhaksterion]

Originally posted by The Hat:

I would guess if its for a party member, the character will just res at the end of the battle.
Unless they are the last one standing, in which case it'll be a gameover.

Companions and mercenaries don't get mythic paths, only the MC does

[Nox Tenebris]

I am not familiar with DnD or Pathfinder lore at all. Could someone explain to my ignorant ass what a "phylactery" is? Googling it just made me more confused.

[solthusx]

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

I am not familiar with DnD or Pathfinder lore at all. Could someone explain to my ignorant ass what a "phylactery" is? Googling it just made me more confused.

A phylactery is a specially crated item used to store a Lich's soul. In the event a Lich's physical body is destroyed, the Phylactery will regenrate the body over a period of time, giving Liches a form of immortality. However, it is also a weakness as the phylactery getting destroyed would mean permanent death for the Lich. This is why most Liches go to great lengths to hide and/or protect their phylactery.

In the Patfinder setting, it is also possible for a Lich to loose the benefits of a phylactery through various factors, making them vulnerable to getting killed the normal way. This is what happened to Vordkai in Kingmaker.

[Echo]

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

I am not familiar with DnD or Pathfinder lore at all. Could someone explain to my ignorant ass what a "phylactery" is? Googling it just made me more confused.

Err well I'm no authority but it's some sort of thing (maybe a literal container like a jar) that contains a lich's soul. If you kill a lich his undead body will eventually be reconstructed and reanimated near the phylactery after some time (could be in another hour or a week or perhaps aeons).

Usually a lich candidate, often a powerful mage, has to go through a lifetime of study or obtain help from gods etc to place his soul in a phylactery to become a lich. So normally the idea of a phylactery is closely tied to the idea of lichs and it's sort of what makes them a lich as opposed to just a powerful undead magician. It's a powerful, undead, unkillable magician commonly with its own free will.

Sometimes breaking the phylactery doesn't directly hurt the lich but the lich will then be vulnerable to permanent death. Or, if you defeat a lich then break the phylactery before they can revive they're destroyed.

[Nox Tenebris]

Originally posted by solthusx:

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

I am not familiar with DnD or Pathfinder lore at all. Could someone explain to my ignorant ass what a "phylactery" is? Googling it just made me more confused.

A phylactery is a specially crated item used to store a Lich's soul. In the event a Lich's physical body is destroyed, the Phylactery will regenrate the body over a period of time, giving Liches a form of immortality. However, it is also a weakness as the phylactery getting destroyed would mean permanent death for the Lich. This is why most Liches go to great lengths to hide and/or protect their phylactery.

In the Patfinder setting, it is also possible for a Lich to loose the benefits of a phylactery through various factors, making them vulnerable to getting killed the normal way. This is what happened to Vordkai in Kingmaker.

Ah okay. Thanks for the explanation.

Originally posted by Echo:

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

I am not familiar with DnD or Pathfinder lore at all. Could someone explain to my ignorant ass what a "phylactery" is? Googling it just made me more confused.

Err well I'm no authority but it's some sort of thing (maybe a literal container like a jar) that contains a lich's soul. If you kill a lich his undead body will eventually be reconstructed and reanimated near the phylactery after some time (could be in another hour or a week or perhaps aeons).

Usually a lich candidate, often a powerful mage, has to go through a lifetime of study or obtain help from gods etc to place his soul in a phylactery to become a lich. So normally the idea of a phylactery is closely tied to the idea of lichs and it's sort of what makes them a lich as opposed to just a powerful undead magician. It's a powerful, undead, unkillable magician commonly with its own free will.

Sometimes breaking the phylactery doesn't directly hurt the lich but the lich will then be vulnerable to permanent death. Or, if you defeat a lich then break the phylactery before they can revive they're destroyed.

Ditto.

[Dasty-Fox]

They need do Pale master not a lich then :D

[Echo]

Originally posted by solthusx:

In the Patfinder setting, it is also possible for a Lich to loose the benefits of a phylactery through various factors, making them vulnerable to getting killed the normal way. This is what happened to Vordkai in Kingmaker.

This actually really bothered me in Kingmaker, I played the game a few times and never really understood how Vordekai was destroyed? Where was his phylactery? It wasn't the Eye of Abbadon that was some other artifact that doesn't necessarily get destroyed depending on your choices.

Was his phylactery just sitting there on the altar or in the next room? If so Vordekai would have to take the cake as the dumbest lich in dnd history. But I'm guessing I must have missed the point?