Which rules set 1 or 2?

[PyroMancer]

Is this game going to be on PF1 like KingMaker or are they going with the new PF2 ruleset?

[Drake]

it's P1E

[Stink Bug]

They seem to be taking some 2E concepts lore-wise though, like the backgrounds and Aeons being LN.

[CDI Mario]

2 came out too late for them to fully develop it into wotr. hope there will be a mod to update it to 2e tho.

[PyroMancer]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

2 came out too late for them to fully develop it into wotr. hope there will be a mod to update it to 2e tho.

Yeah I really got into 2e and would love to see some games made with it's rule set.

[Averagedog]

I doubt they will do it for at least 1 or 2 more games. There is no way they would throw away all the classes and class features they brought to life so quickly.

[Sambonizer]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

2 came out too late for them to fully develop it into wotr. hope there will be a mod to update it to 2e tho.

Wouldn't count on it, seeing how different the systems are, not to mention class progression, spells and such.

[PyroMancer]

Originally posted by Averagedog:

I doubt they will do it for at least 1 or 2 more games. There is no way they would throw away all the classes and class features they brought to life so quickly.

Yeah I'm not really expecting it, just thought it would be nice. And didn't know when they started vs when PF2e came out.

Back with DnD 3e came out a lot of games still used 2e rules for several years after it's release. I imagine PF2e will probably be the same. Odds are be another 2+ years before we see one. And there is so much different in the system for a simple MOD, at least not one that could be done quickly. I mean look at some of the total conversion mods for Skyrim and they have taken as long as full game development which is what I'd expect from a PF2e mod which I think is unlike as it would likely require engine changes.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Stink Bug:

They seem to be taking some 2E concepts lore-wise though, like the backgrounds and Aeons being LN.

Backgrounds related to 2E was a stretch goal from the kickstarter actually.

And yeah, the systems are really different. The main problem being the reaction and 3 actions per turn. It's going to be very difficult to transpose in rtwp, especially with stuff like flourish attacks or follow ups and the spells using 1 or 2 actions that you can chains, not even considering single action enhancers like reach.
Plus there is an issue with reactions. Chars having a lot of choice of reactions but that can only use 1 per entire turn (especially champions with their entire mechanics relying on that) will have to decide in advance which one to toogle instead of interrupting the fight on the fly in a turn based tabletop combat and choosing which one is best.

While I think P1E works relatively fine in realtime, since original D&D 3E was permissive with actions. P2E will definitely benefit a lot more from a full turn based game, especially for warrior classes.

[Stink Bug]

Originally posted by PyroMancer:

Originally posted by Averagedog:

I doubt they will do it for at least 1 or 2 more games. There is no way they would throw away all the classes and class features they brought to life so quickly.

Yeah I'm not really expecting it, just thought it would be nice. And didn't know when they started vs when PF2e came out.

Back with DnD 3e came out a lot of games still used 2e rules for several years after it's release. I imagine PF2e will probably be the same. Odds are be another 2+ years before we see one. And there is so much different in the system for a simple MOD, at least not one that could be done quickly. I mean look at some of the total conversion mods for Skyrim and they have taken as long as full game development which is what I'd expect from a PF2e mod which I think is unlike as it would likely require engine changes.

Well just think how long it took us to get a Pathfinder 1e video game. It was published in 2009! I wouldn't mind a few more modules before moving on to the new shinies.

Of course, who knows whether Owlcat has ambitions to move on from tabletop RPG conversions in the future or not?

[PoohPus]

2e is a masterpiece of a balanced pen-and-paper rpg.

That type of balance translates superbly bad into computer-games however. I really hope they resist the temptation to start making their pathfinder games 2e, but keep building on and expanding the 1e which is becoming more and more brilliant. Feel free to use 2e lore and modules, but 1e is as superior for PC as 2e is for pnp.

[Sambonizer]

Originally posted by PoohPuss:

2e is a masterpiece of a balanced pen-and-paper rpg.

That type of balance translates superbly bad into computer-games however. I really hope they resist the temptation to start making their pathfinder games 2e, but keep building on and expanding the 1e which is becoming more and more brilliant. Feel free to use 2e lore and modules, but 1e is as superior for PC as 2e is for pnp.

I mean, PF 2e is indeed deeper than, say, D&D 4e and 5e but that's like comparing a kiddie pool to a pee puddle: while one is indeed better than the other, it doesn't make it great.
3.5e and PF 1e are where it's at.

[Corrosion]

Originally posted by PyroMancer:

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

2 came out too late for them to fully develop it into wotr. hope there will be a mod to update it to 2e tho.

Yeah I really got into 2e and would love to see some games made with it's rule set.

Pf2 is terrible, it lacks on powerplay too much. Turn back to 1, it's way better.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Corrosion:

Originally posted by PyroMancer:

Yeah I really got into 2e and would love to see some games made with it's rule set.

Pf2 is terrible, it lacks on powerplay too much. Turn back to 1, it's way better.

It's fine imo. The issue is more that it's new. Don't forget that pathfinder 1E has the original content of D&D3E and the additional content of pathfinder that's pretty much 20 years.
Pathfinder 2E only has 2-3 years of rule content. And in that time we got a lot of stuff to add to classes. The foundations are solid, now they need to write more books to develop the classes and add archetypes to spec them further.

[Corrosion]

Originally posted by Drake:

Originally posted by Corrosion:

Pf2 is terrible, it lacks on powerplay too much. Turn back to 1, it's way better.

It's fine imo. The issue is more that it's new. Don't forget that pathfinder 1E has the original content of D&D3E and the additional content of pathfinder that's pretty much 20 years.
Pathfinder 2E only has 2-3 years of rule content. And in that time we got a lot of stuff to add to classes. The foundations are solid, now they need to write more books to develop the classes and add archetypes to spec them further.

For now it lack in powerplay too much. For as long as they won't have as much content as 3.5, i'll stay on 3.5 and pf1.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by PyroMancer:

Originally posted by Averagedog:

I doubt they will do it for at least 1 or 2 more games. There is no way they would throw away all the classes and class features they brought to life so quickly.

Yeah I'm not really expecting it, just thought it would be nice. And didn't know when they started vs when PF2e came out.

Back with DnD 3e came out a lot of games still used 2e rules for several years after it's release. I imagine PF2e will probably be the same. Odds are be another 2+ years before we see one. And there is so much different in the system for a simple MOD, at least not one that could be done quickly. I mean look at some of the total conversion mods for Skyrim and they have taken as long as full game development which is what I'd expect from a PF2e mod which I think is unlike as it would likely require engine changes.

Lets be really honest here, Its a miracle that Pathfinder got games at all. Yea its good but it is EXTREAMLY overshadowed by DND. and the fact that they didnt want to waste a year reworking the engine for 2e. alot of stuff was just updated or upgraded from kingmaker engine.