Immune to prone makes you immune to hideous laughter ?

[There is no Mango]

Vrock and gargoyles are immune to prone.

Even when they fail their saving throw vs hideous laughter, and the spell is applied to them, it does ... nothing.

I read a few arguments on the subject and I disagree with that restriction.
Enchantment in the game with demons is already pretty bad. It sucks.

[Elnidfse]

Enchantment doesn't suck. But yes it is annoying that this doesn't work on enemies that can't go prone. This is mostly a chapter 2 thing. In chapter 3, you'll be busy dominating people for near full duration, causing groups of enemies to go insane, and telling jokes so funny they incapacitate an entire room

[There is no Mango]

Thanks for that ah !Until now at level 7, it is frustrating just how little enemies are susceptible to the school. the prone = resist hideous laughter was really the cherry on top.

[Elnidfse]

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Thanks for that ah !Until now at level 7, it is frustrating just how little enemies are susceptible to the school. the prone = resist hideous laughter was really the cherry on top.

immunities are mostly from a balancing perspective. But I assure you even towards the tail end of the game you'll still be able to tell really funny jokes to the bulk of the enemies with near guaranteed hits once you're in chapter 4. Chapter 3 is you landing most of your spells most of the time. Chapter 4 is landing most of your spells all of the time where applicable.

A good amount of side or optional bosses from chapter 3 onward are all vulnerable to mind effecting. You just have to make it through chapter 2. Which is the rough chapter for enchantment mages due to the raw amount of undead, prone immune, mind affecting immune there are in most of that chapter.

[There is no Mango]

Yes, this is my second run.
3 casters in the party, the beginning is painful, happily my merc bloodrager doesn't seem to understand the concept of difficulty and just swings on.

[Edstyles]

I see no reasons why hideous laughter would stop going prone by this spell . Sounds like a bug to me

[just.dont.do.it]

I can say for certain that I used hideous laughter on prone-immune enemies, and it worked perfectly fine.

[There is no Mango]

It does nothing on Vrock and Gargoyles whose immunity is prone.

[Babbles]

Are you sure they arn't immune to compulsion?

[There is no Mango]

They are not, at least for gargoyles.
Both these enemies are immune to prone. That is the only immunity for Gargoyles, can't remember for Vrocks.

I experienced this happening these 2 times :
- fighting the Vrock in marketsquare ; Hideous Laughter succesfully applied, mob still behaves as if nothing happens.
- fighting the gargoyles saving the hellknights ; Hideous Laughter succesfully applied, mob still behaves as if nothing happens.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/33nljr/minor_spoiler_immune_to_being_knocked_prone_vs/
https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/94193/does-the-hideous-laughter-spell-make-a-flying-foe-prone-and-cause-the-foe-to-fal

For examples of interpretation of the rule.
In WOTR, Hideous laughter does nothing to those enemies (I guess all flying enemies). even it it's applied to them successfully. Bug or interpretation of the rule, it is what it is.


My guess is they use prone effect for the HL effect to be applied.
No prone no hideous laughter.

[Elnidfse]

I forgot to mention that touch of laughter or w/e from the sorcerer bloodline scales beautifully with just a one level dip.

[There is no Mango]

Elnidfse eredeti hozzászólása:

I forgot to mention that touch of laughter or w/e from the sorcerer bloodline scales beautifully with just a one level dip.

Sorry, I don't understand the w/e (got mine on a dirge bard).

[Elnidfse]

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Elnidfse eredeti hozzászólása:

I forgot to mention that touch of laughter or w/e from the sorcerer bloodline scales beautifully with just a one level dip.

Sorry, I don't understand the w/e (got mine on a dirge bard).

They fey bloodline gives you a touch that makes things laugh. It's DC scales a bit harder and it only lasts for a round, but it gives your bard something to do if it's a full on debuffer bard.

[There is no Mango]

For now I like my mono class characters and keeping a coherence with the character.
But I will have a look for sure.

I resorted to use demoralize on the default action of my dirge bard in the last couple fights when she has nothing to do. Only successes for now, will see how it goes, thanks !

[Mauman]

Elnidfse eredeti hozzászólása:

There is no mango. eredeti hozzászólása:

Sorry, I don't understand the w/e (got mine on a dirge bard).

They fey bloodline gives you a touch that makes things laugh. It's DC scales a bit harder and it only lasts for a round, but it gives your bard something to do if it's a full on debuffer bard.

Honestly, I think the flat +2 dc to compulsions is the real clincher to the dip (the touch is just gravy).

[There is no Mango]

Looking into it now and it seems pretty cool, especially with the +2DC on compulsion.

My bard right now stays with my sorcerer MC to share allied spellcaster and it goes well with their imagined story. So no melee for now but it might change if both come closer to the action later, as MC is supposed to go lich.
Hmm I can see that going well together.

If you make a cross blooded sorcerer, fey and undead, then some of your compulsion effects affect undead which seems neat.
You only get one sorcerer spell, mage armor probably then to later use archmage.
If you wear light armor but cast mage armor, you still get the extra non AC bonus from the armor I guess ?

Thanks a lot for the ideas !