Build questions - bloodrager

[battl3hamm3r]

I have a couple of questions pls:

-Would an unarmed bloodrager/primalist + 1 dip Trad monk + 1 dip Vis work well late game (playing on Core) ?
-Do claw attacks count as an unarmed strike ?
-Does bloorage count as rage for the endless rage talent in the mythic path ?

[djinnxy]

1. Better off with scaled fist dip and 1 viv doesn't do much for you. if you do that you may as well dip barb for beast totem too and witch or shaman. If all you want is more attacks.
2. No but the amulets that give bonus to unarmed also give it to natural attacks
3. yep

[SmallGespenst]

claw attacks count as natural weapons, most things that effect unarmed attacks specifically state that they effect natural weapons too, so if it's not stated to them it probably doesn't

[battl3hamm3r]

Originally posted by djinnxy:

1. Better off with scaled fist dip and 1 viv doesn't do much for you. if you do that you may as well dip barb for beast totem too and witch or shaman. If all you want is more attacks.
2. No but the amulets that give bonus to unarmed also give it to natural attacks
3. yep

Noob here... how can witch or shaman give me more attacks ?

[HTakara]

Originally posted by Qhaz:

Originally posted by djinnxy:

1. Better off with scaled fist dip and 1 viv doesn't do much for you. if you do that you may as well dip barb for beast totem too and witch or shaman. If all you want is more attacks.
2. No but the amulets that give bonus to unarmed also give it to natural attacks
3. yep

Noob here... how can witch or shaman give me more attacks ?

they can grow claws

[djinnxy]

Hexes. They can take a minor for claws and major for bite and claw. Also oracle can get bites from a curse.

[battl3hamm3r]

extra noob here... but dont the claws replace your unarmed strikes, so you lose benefits of the monk dip for unarmed ? I just tried, maybe I did something wrong, had 1 claw attack per round instead of the 3 unarmed

[djinnxy]

Originally posted by Qhaz:

extra noob here... but dont the claws replace your unarmed strikes, so you lose benefits of the monk dip for unarmed ? I just tried, maybe I did something wrong, had 1 claw attack per round instead of the 3 unarmed

yeah they replace unarmed. The dip is just for AC

[Falkon Swiftblade]

I think bloodrager is broken. I've tried creating 3-4 specs 1 stone monk/ 1 bloodrager with serpentine bloodline that should give 1d8 extra claw dmg or bite wth a con poison atk, and just a lvl 1 or 2 bloodrager with serpentine bloodline and it does list it in skills, but not on my dmg sheet. It only says my dmg is like 1-3. I've made sure not wearing armor or weapons and still not working.

[djinnxy]

Originally posted by Falkon Swiftblade:

I think bloodrager is broken. I've tried creating 3-4 specs 1 stone monk/ 1 bloodrager with serpentine bloodline that should give 1d8 extra claw dmg or bite wth a con poison atk, and just a lvl 1 or 2 bloodrager with serpentine bloodline and it does list it in skills, but not on my dmg sheet. It only says my dmg is like 1-3. I've made sure not wearing armor or weapons and still not working.

That's what it starts out as for damage for serpentine bite. It increases only the con damage and rounds at later levels.

[Falkon Swiftblade]

Originally posted by djinnxy:

Originally posted by Falkon Swiftblade:

I think bloodrager is broken. I've tried creating 3-4 specs 1 stone monk/ 1 bloodrager with serpentine bloodline that should give 1d8 extra claw dmg or bite wth a con poison atk, and just a lvl 1 or 2 bloodrager with serpentine bloodline and it does list it in skills, but not on my dmg sheet. It only says my dmg is like 1-3. I've made sure not wearing armor or weapons and still not working.

That's what it starts out as for damage for serpentine bite. It increases only the con damage and rounds at later levels.

The issue is I'm not getting the 1d8 Serpentine bite attack, it only lists the unarmed attack and it does not apply the con debuff, so I'm not gaining any benefit. It might be bugged, but I started from scratch and ea attempt it's not showing up.

[Soothing Starlight]

ok let me clarify a few things i have tested and built
i currently have a high level bloodrager/witch/dragon desciple
first off the is no point going any type of monk with a natural attack build unless your sacrificing armor for the wis(cha for scaled fist) to ac.
Flurry of blows has higher priority than natural attacks and will supersede them so for example if you have a claw/claw/bite on a monk that 3 attacks on his flurry of blows than you will do the 3 attack flurry and do nothing with claw/claw/bite although i do believe that the gore from the mythic path happens with any type of full round attack.

2nd the build that gives the most natural attacks is motherless tiefling (1 bite) 1 level witch (stigmatized archetype) with the hex nails (2 claws) with the wolf scarred face curse (1 bite) that's 4 natural attacks at lvl 1 at full attack bonus after that you best bet is bloodrager (primalist archetype) with the dragon bloodline,it grants better claws when you rage but does not grant more claw attacks, but the reason you grab bloodrager is that at level 4 of it you can choose 2 rage powers. Grab the rage power that gives you an extra bite (it says -5 to hit but it doesent actually have the -5 its at full to hit) and grab guarded stance (bonus to ac when raging) i would say grab fiend totem for a free gore but it doesent seemed to be working right now (hope for a fix in the future) after 4 lvls blood rager grab 4 lvls of dragon desciple to get the stat bonuses the natural armor bonus and another bite attack.
for mythic abilities the first things you should get is the gore attack and the natural attacks ignore damage reduction(this is huge mid to late game trust me)

so at lvl 9 and 1 lvl mythic you should have a full attack like this claw/claw/bite/bite/bite/gore
all at full attack bonus that ignores damage reduction

hope this helps also make sure you get knowledge arcana for dragon desciple

[djinnxy]

yeah sounds about right except you're missing the second bloodline, beast totem, a couple other races that can bite. I come up with 8 nat atk. Seems like i'm missing something though. I could swear I remember coming up with 9 or 10 when I tested it.... Oh demon claws and gore...

[Soothing Starlight]

I didn’t mention more onto mythic stuff such as second bloodline as there is plenty of discussion about mythics already to be found
also there is no point in going beast totem as raging already gives you claws from dragon bloodline, unless you want to grab the greater beast totem for pounce wich is great but requires 10 levels bloodrager
As for other races the only 2 that get bites are kitsune and half orc. The kitsune get a penalty to strength and the half orcs need a feat that’s why tiefling is the better choice as it gets a bite for no cost as the -5 to hit isn’t implemented.
Also keep in mind that claws do not stack on human characters only beasts if you have 6 different claw attacks from sources (witch nails,dragon bloodline,beast totem) you will only do 2 claw attacks with wichever has the higher damage die (1d3,1d4,1d6,)

[GunStarX]

You 100% want greater beast totem for a bloodrager primalist build. You get 1d8 x3 crit claws, pounce and ac boost. Since bloodrager uses cha for casting an easy dip is oracle for nature cha to ac instead of dex (leave dex low on build) and wolf scarred bite. Serpent bloodline is a must for the extra bite with con dmg that works on every bite you have. Take 2 levels of vivisectionist for feral mutagen bite, and 2 levels of dragon disciple for bite. I used greater enduring on my build and had all the bloodrager spell buffs plus mutagen up 24 hrs. Go with a race that has a bite and the extra bite rage power and you turn into a charge monster. Mythic charge even better. Basically one shot anyone tough, and drop entire groups that you can charge into the middle of.