Is there anything interesting about seela

[Porkie]

She's such a stupidly boring character but I'm forced to take her because she's the only tank,.

Is there anything interesting in her story later on to make it worth the while of missing the stories of far more interesting but useless companions?

[rgoodness]

I have to say that I find her boring as a mechanical character -- she's a fine tank but so is my main, she's outclassed by others in both damage and healing, and she's just kind of there, but I have her in my party the entire time. Honestly, she's probably one of the few party members I'd enjoy hanging out with in real life. She can have fun and knock back a few, she's not consumed with existential angst (I've got enough of that going on myself), her personal quest revolves around her caring deeply for her friends and trying to make amends for past mistakes with them, and she's not a psychotic murderer who leaves random body parts for me to find, which all put her way ahead of everyone else :)

[Horrid]

The most interesting thing about her is when you shelve her. Then replace her with a custom merc tank and find out just how good they can be.

[Frozen Dervish]

She's not your only tank.
In the Prologue both Lann/Wendy, and Camillia easily outpaces her tankiness.
In Ch. 1 you get Woljif as an added tank.

So easily 4 other tanks all of differing alignments so you can take whatever. I'd also argue Seelah is best as a support/damage dealer over being a tank as she was easily my hardest hitting melee up to act 3.

[TCPippin]

I turned her into a Bloodrager/Dragon Disciple combo with a level of Thug for good measure. She's SCARY (at least for enemies). She also can deal passable damage. So mechanically she's not so bad.
Story-wise, she's a great fit for any Good-aligned PC. She. Lann and Aru are the only people I'd trust to watch my back (Ember is good-aligned too, but she may not be suspicious/ fast enough)

[T.W. Hamill]

Originally posted by Herr Glaube:

Originally posted by GameLightz:

The problem is she's the tank.
She's the only one who uses heavy armor (this far into the campaign, level 5, every one is a freakin light armor dex fighter, and some of them can't even wear armor so I just throw everything away).

I wish I could get rid of her so I can get more of the funny interactions between the others

She's a bad tank, even that early. Camellia is better at it, and it will only become worse.

One of the issues of PF1E, dex is the stat to rule all melee, since it helps both offense and defense if built for, and Camellia is, even with her default build path. She also has better defensive buffs.

Or you could just dip her into Tower Shield Specialst and Thug, and shell make Camellia her ♥♥♥♥♥.

[Cutlass Jack]

Or just keep her as paladin, get her horse at level 5, make it a Bulwark, and sit her butt on it. It can enjoy her shield bonus and outtank everyone. Especially once it goes celestial at 11ish. Enemies always attack the horse over her and it gets very tanky.

But yeah, as mentioned, she's far from the only option. If you don't like her, Shelve her.

[Red Phantom]

Originally posted by Viper:

why is she boring..I have no issues with her. Shes a good and pleasant person and just wants to help everybody.

You could be "pleasant" and want to help everyone, and be the most mediocre person ever.

[Viper]

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

Originally posted by Viper:

why is she boring..I have no issues with her. Shes a good and pleasant person and just wants to help everybody.

You could be "pleasant" and want to help everyone, and be the most mediocre person ever.

There is nothing wrong with being mediocre in any way. I guess all your friends IRL are movie stars . I would rather have Seelah as a friend than a lot of the other companions.

[Red Phantom]

Originally posted by Viper:

There is nothing wrong with being mediocre in any way. I guess all your friends IRL are movie stars

Lol how did you end up at movie stars as the ultimate contrast to mediocrity, their enhanced social status? I can guarantee that many movie stars are mediocre people, they just have the benefit of millions of dollars of PR, editing and makeup.

[Frozen Dervish]

Originally posted by Viper:

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

You could be "pleasant" and want to help everyone, and be the most mediocre person ever.

There is nothing wrong with being mediocre in any way. I guess all your friends IRL are movie stars . I would rather have Seelah as a friend than a lot of the other companions.

This right here. She is likable, doesn't instantly hate anything, sticks up for her friends and tries to help them, and will not lash out just to be a ♥♥♥♥.

Ember? lol, let's die cause of her mental regression
Woljif? Let's betray our comrades and abandon them at the first sign of trouble
Camilla? ...Isn't she helpful?
Lann? Suicidal glory seeker
Wendy? First to backstab
Regill? Won't betray, but you are walking a tightrope
Daeran? He is one of the better comrades who is very open in what he wants
Sosiel? Runs the tightrope of sanity in coming to terms with his beliefs and war
Greybor? Do you have enough money to keep this minion around?
Nenio? Who are you again?
Arue? Like the other tightrope walkers she treads a fine line, but like Daeran will try to be open to new ideas and thoughts

So of our compatriots Seelah's only real failing is that she isn't mentally inhibited, broken, overly strict, or a backstabber.

[Viper]

Seelah is the kind of person you could count on ..The kind of person who would never screw you over. as long as you did what was right for others. Shes not a friend to evil people..but I never play that kind of person.

[Red Phantom]

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

So of our compatriots Seelah's only real failing is that she isn't mentally inhibited, broken, overly strict, or a backstabber.

I don't know if you've ever known any ambivalent alcoholics, but they're generally not reliable people. Maybe she would be alright company to have a few drinks with, but in real life undisciplined party people don't tend to make the best long-term friends, unless you've resigned yourself to stay at their level forever. Hence, there is something wrong with mediocre people, when you're the one who's trying not to be mediocre.

[Frozen Dervish]

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

So of our compatriots Seelah's only real failing is that she isn't mentally inhibited, broken, overly strict, or a backstabber.

I don't know if you've ever known any ambivalent alcoholics, but they're generally not reliable people. Maybe she would be alright company to have a few drinks with, but in real life undisciplined party people don't tend to make the best long-term friends, unless you've resigned yourself to stay at their level forever. Hence, there is something wrong with mediocre people, when you're the one who's trying not to be mediocre.

She's not an outgoing partier though. She has several drinks with friends in camp to lighten moods, and a scene with Daeran if you challenge her. So calling her an alcoholic is a stretch especially since in most fantasy/medieval type settings drinking alcohol is usually a lot safer to drink than water in general and her cases of drinking are far apart and few.

[T.W. Hamill]

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

So of our compatriots Seelah's only real failing is that she isn't mentally inhibited, broken, overly strict, or a backstabber.

I don't know if you've ever known any ambivalent alcoholics, but they're generally not reliable people. Maybe she would be alright company to have a few drinks with, but in real life undisciplined party people don't tend to make the best long-term friends, unless you've resigned yourself to stay at their level forever. Hence, there is something wrong with mediocre people, when you're the one who's trying not to be mediocre.

There is absolutely not evidence of any kind that her enjoying a good party has ever, even once, interfered with her doing her duty.

None.

You're just making it up in your head.

Or is Gimli not a reliable character? (As an example).

[T.W. Hamill]

Originally posted by Archon Malaficus Shaikan:

The only thing interesting about her is that she is a care free paladin.
Instead of the the useall devote close minded zealot.

Her entire story is pretty much:
I trusted the wrong people and it bite me in the back.

Personaly i like her.
But she is one of the lesser companions in terms of story.

.. those things make her story BETTER, because it isnt trope-filled absurdist high-fantasy horsecrap.

Its a real, believeable story with personal, humanizing touches.

Its probably one of the BETTER companion stories.