DC 30(34) check in the shield maze

[Babbles]

Why is there a DC 30(34 on Unfair) check to see the torch secret that lets you into the final room befor the big bad in the shield maze?

You cannot pass this with ANY 2nd level character.

This means you have to fins the clue, which requires you fighting rooms of 2-4 level 5 enemies.

Yeah, level 5. When you are level 2. Again, I cannot understand why, when only .3% of people made it through Kingmaker on Unfair, they had to make this so hard.

Especially, well, in TOTAL, when on any other difficulty, unless you play a STR 5 Fighter (and even then) the game is a complete cakewalk.

Last time they get my money.

[Fluff]

I think you pick up the note from some cultist that tells you about the torch, so you auto notice it next time you come close. If we'r talking about the same torch.

[Elnidfse]

Originally posted by Tusk_Luv:

I think you pick up the note from some cultist that tells you about the torch, so you auto notice it next time you come close. If we'r talking about the same torch.

he already mentions that.
I was going to make some remark about find traps but you don't get that this early too.
I'm sure there's a way to consistently pass that check but hell if I know it.

[Babbles]

Originally posted by Tusk_Luv:

I think you pick up the note from some cultist that tells you about the torch, so you auto notice it next time you come close. If we'r talking about the same torch.

Yeah, the note is the only way a far as I can tell, dc 30 is insane - that is actually going skill focus - peception + levels in thief, even then I think you will only get a 29 on a nat 20 ...

[Elb]

+ 5 perception goggles from pre-order?

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by Elb:

+ 5 perception goggles from pre-order?

The pre order goggles help vs. swarms. Don't help with perception.

[Pipmalice / 悪気ピップ]

There are a lot of people that want the game this difficult, i mean many that want it more difficult. Why are you complaining this is too hard rather than that hard is too easy then? Compared to kingmaker unfair start, this is so much better. I feel like i need to strategize more rather than pray for 20's, nothing wrong with a check that you're not meant to make. As it shows you somethings there, makes it easier to remember

[SmallGespenst]

yeah, unfair is kinda supposed to be comically hard, why would it let you just skip a huge chunk of the shield maze?

[Pipmalice / 悪気ピップ]

Originally posted by Elb:

+ 5 perception goggles from pre-order?

don't you get preorder items only after shield maze once you're in the tavern?

[DarkFenix]

Unfair is... unfair. So it's not going to be nice and fair to you by letting you skip half the dungeon. It's damn well going to force you to push through every brutal encounter it can. Be grateful, if my players demanded something truly unfair I'd force them to fight the water elemental for that clue.

[Pipmalice / 悪気ピップ]

also, a wisdom caster , with hunter background , 20 wisdom sits on 12, with the feat you CAN make it at level 1, you're not supposed to, but its not like its impossible.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

You aren't supposed to make that check. The intent is that you will miss it, and then find the necessary clue to tip you off.

I get that you might want to skip some fights, but actually that is counterproductive in a game like this. Those fights are xp, and xp is what you need to succeed later. Seek out the xp, lap it up, and level up sooner so that you will be better prepared for the content that follows.