The ridiculous Act 2 boss fight

[24601]

I'm really enjoying the game so far but the Staunton fight in Drezen is the biggest pile of BS I've seen in a game in a long time.

It took me around six attempts to win (which I hear is actually relatively quick), and when I finally did, it was because of some lucky rolls on a teamwork feat that let my three melee characters almost one-shot Minagho.

Up to that point, Staunton and Minagho were OHKO'ing my fully buffed characters, removing all my summoned creatures in one swing and resisting hexes and normal spells.

My issue is that supremely powerful enemies need to be possible to counter for a fight to be enjoyable and fulfilling. But these two resisted almost all magic, resisted every single Dispel attempt to strip them of their buffs and were extremely difficult to hit in combat. No weaknesses. Pure dice rolling.

[Sador]

Just blast down Staunton and you're fine - depending on the difficulty setting that may be easier or harder to do of course. It's a boss fight, but it's hardly impossible.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by 24601:

I'm really enjoying the game so far but the Staunton fight in Drezen is the biggest pile of BS I've seen in a game in a long time.

It took me around six attempts to win (which I hear is actually relatively quick), and when I finally did, it was because of some lucky rolls on a teamwork feat that let my three melee characters almost one-shot Minagho.

Up to that point, Staunton and Minagho were OHKO'ing my fully buffed characters, removing all my summoned creatures in one swing and resisting hexes and normal spells.

My issue is that supremely powerful enemies need to be possible to counter for a fight to be enjoyable and fulfilling. But these two resisted almost all magic, resisted every single Dispel attempt to strip them of their buffs and were extremely difficult to hit in combat. No weaknesses. Pure dice rolling.

Whenever I see something like this... yeah, it is about dice rolls. Period. D&D based games are like this. You cannot expect certain victories unless you cheat or have an unbalanced game. There is always a chance for a NAT1. That being said, it is best just to accept it instead trying to compare it with modern games which do not count on dice rolls.

[joxertm22]

IIRC at that point you have a summon azata tankard in inventory.
Summon it on Minagho's arse so she leaves the scene immediately.

Another make things easier thing is to:
Face Nurah before going to Drezen and suggest cooperation instead of executing/imprisoning.

Normal difficulty. I didn't play higher ones.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by joxertm22:

IIRC at that point you have a summon azata tankard in inventory.

Correct. You can loot it in Gray Garrison, regardless of the supporters. If someone says you needed Thieflings for that, those someone forget about spells and scrolls.

[Lord Honorius]

killed him on core first try. im a hunter with a leopard, he just triped Stauton and it was over.
I made alot of playtrought up to chapter 3 and sor far the easest was by far my hunter. After my cleric of tormag and the other are just failing to much.

[BIG E.]

I managed to do it on Core. Took me few tries but that's just because i am new to Pathfinder and naturally i don't know wich buffs/debuffs/spells are the most broken ones. All you have to do is nuke the dwarf, in second phase same strat but you might also wanna send someone to deal with that annoying bard.

I also cast dispell on Staunton idk if it did anything but there you go.

[T.W. Hamill]

All you have to do is take out Staunton, and he's a joke. Fight ends immediately when he's down.

[アンジェル]

If that battle turned out hard for original poster, I like to think there will be many more "hard" battles for them. I would conclude it is a matter of dice rolls and good thinking. Whether taking tin guy out with a reduce person spell, or negating a dragon's breath with protection from fire spell - the game offer much more than "go in, and out".

If that is not enjoyable for original poster it is always possible to reduce the difficulty.

What I can tell anyone for certain: with every playthrough it feels like the game has become easier. Truth is only you get more experience with a better understanding of the game. And that is it. A Nat1 can still happen nonetheless.

[Gracey Face]

If you think the Staunton fight is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, there's a hell of a lot more to go. Most of the encounters in this game are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as Owlcat are terrible.

[T.W. Hamill]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

A Nat1 can still happen nonetheless.

Unless you're a Trickster.

=P

Then those are just more 20s.

[24601]

Originally posted by joxertm22:

IIRC at that point you have a summon azata tankard in inventory.
Summon it on Minagho's arse so she leaves the scene immediately.

Another make things easier thing is to:
Face Nurah before going to Drezen and suggest cooperation instead of executing/imprisoning.

Normal difficulty. I didn't play higher ones.

The summoned Azata got murdered by Staunton after he buffed himself with Divine Power and whatever other spells.

Also, I found the perfume in her tent but that didn't seem to open any new dialogue options with her. Must have missed something.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by T.W. Hamill:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

A Nat1 can still happen nonetheless.

Unless you're a Trickster.

=P

Then those are just more 20s.

Touché.

[Sador]

Originally posted by 24601:

The summoned Azata got murdered by Staunton after he buffed himself with Divine Power and whatever other spells.

Also, I found the perfume in her tent but that didn't seem to open any new dialogue options with her. Must have missed something.

You need to find more evidence and then confront her.

Where is she during the Gargoyle attack on the camp, for example?

[FRIDAY THE 13TH]

game is hardly unbalanced. Owlcat devs cant do that. Many mechanics never tested - bosses/enemies have had AC more than u can do on maxs => u cant dispel/target. 1st game from series had the same probs. So Owlcat = bad devps, sorry but this is a fact.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by 24601:

Originally posted by joxertm22:

IIRC at that point you have a summon azata tankard in inventory.
Summon it on Minagho's arse so she leaves the scene immediately.

Another make things easier thing is to:
Face Nurah before going to Drezen and suggest cooperation instead of executing/imprisoning.

Normal difficulty. I didn't play higher ones.

The summoned Azata got murdered by Staunton after he buffed himself with Divine Power and whatever other spells.

Also, I found the perfume in her tent but that didn't seem to open any new dialogue options with her. Must have missed something.

I just submitted something from my observation to the guide's author. Maybe they will add it when it turns out essential. I keep seeing forums post where people have not done all perception checks. Because they follow a guide instead of experiencing it themselves.

The story makes it possible to complete her questline even without the guide. At least that is how it turned out for my very first playthrough where I had no idea about any ascencion ending or alternatives at all.