Why can no longer avoid Hulrun killing Ramien when I first meet them.

[Viper]

In and earlier run that I grew dissatisfied with and started again I did ...But it seems regardless of which option I pick now he strikes him down right there. DO I have to fight him.

[Marcos_DS]

Did you use the angel mythic path option when first meeting him. Thats a requirement for him to go against his better judgement

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Viper:

In and earlier run that I grew dissatisfied with and started again I did ...But it seems regardless of which option I pick now he strikes him down right there. DO I have to fight him.

There are two versions you can experience. When you go to the market square straight and early, you can save Ramien and fight Hulrun's Nabasu.

When you go to the market square later, Hulrun behaves different and strikes Ramien right away without a chance to save him.

[ec928]

You needed to get back to Hulrun a bit earlier to argue with him about Ramien. Now that he's caught up with him, it's too late

[Viper]

Originally posted by Marcos_DS:

Did you use the angel mythic path option when first meeting him. Thats a requirement for him to go against his better judgement

I don't have that option now..DId I meet him before I can't remember. I think I had that option in my first play through.

[Viper]

Yes this is pretty late. I have been everywhere in Chapter 1 at this point and just came back to the Market Square to finish it. Was not quite done. Wow I wish I could have saved him..Feeling bad about it.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Viper:

Originally posted by Marcos_DS:

Did you use the angel mythic path option when first meeting him. Thats a requirement for him to go against his better judgement

I don't have that option now..DId I meet him before I can't remember. I think I had that option in my first play through.

You have that option either way. It is the time which matters, not the mythic path option.

You can even meet Greybor earlier than the tavern fight.

[Runic Tunic]

From what I read, it's not exactly clear. I believe how you go about doing this is

1) Use the Angel dialogue option when first talking to Hulrun when he's arguing with Ramien. You have to talk to them before the attack on defender's Heart.

2) Go to Ramien immediately after and do not kill him, tell him you'll help him,and the need for backup

3) Here's where I'm a little unsure. You need to talk to Hulrun again, but I'm not sure if you tell him about not killing Ramien first, or if you tell him about Irabeth and needing backup at the Defender's Heart first.

I believe you'll get two notifications if it's done right though: one is for Feud of the Faithful being resolved, and the other is for getting help defending the safe zone. After the conflict there won't be a conflict between Hulrun and Ramien.

edit: You might need to talk to Ramien again after Hulrun agrees to go to the Defender's Heart

[Spectre]

This f game. This time it's seems it's even worse then in the previous game. Not gonna f start again. Well, could have been a good game if not for stupid design like this

[Nosferatu]

Originally posted by Spectre:

This f game. This time it's seems it's even worse then in the previous game. Not gonna f start again. Well, could have been a good game if not for stupid design like this

Things changing in Kenabres after the tavern attack is pretty much the only time-sensitive part of the game, I believe, and the game makes it clear that time passing is going to close some quests and options. There's also plenty of time to explore the city and see what's going on before the tavern defense. It's hardly worse than Kingmaker's time-sensitive quests.

[Steffan]

Just kill Hulrun when you first meet and be done with him. I hate him with passion.