Crusade army battles - 200+ turn fights against zombies due enervative debuff

[Supply Side Jesus]

Please fix this right away, as this is ZERO fun. The issue is stacking enervative attack debuff that reduces your unit damage to essentially zero. So fight drag on forever as no units does damage.

Please fix this right away. This is game-breaking unfun.

[joxertm22]

How about you describe something better as I have absolutely no idea what are you talking about.

Use a different general.

[Amoc]

or maybe he's actually right, and the Crusade is terrible.

[zpc]

Like any game mechanic one has to master it.

The crusade mode works on the same principles as the party based combat - so there are counter units for undeads. And those are available pretty early. Hint: clerics.

[joxertm22]

Originally posted by Amoc:

or maybe he's actually right, and the Crusade is terrible.

No.

Originally posted by zpc:

Like any game mechanic one has to master it.

+1

[Edmund Greyfox]

Originally posted by Supply Side Jesus:

Please fix this right away, as this is ZERO fun. The issue is stacking enervative attack debuff that reduces your unit damage to essentially zero. So fight drag on forever as no units does damage.

Please fix this right away. This is game-breaking unfun.

Go back to Bannerlord! :) Just messing with you.

The crusade system could be better, but if you take the time to build up your troop strength it gets pretty easy. Lots of archers are the key to keeping undead from being a problem(actually, lots of archers is the key to almost everything). Hold them in place with infantry in the middle of the board and blow them away with archers from the back row. If the enemy commander cast a debuff on them, counter it by casting something that buffs their attack.

[Amoc]

Originally posted by zpc:

Like any game mechanic one has to master it.

The crusade mode works on the same principles as the party based combat - so there are counter units for undeads. And those are available pretty early. Hint: clerics.

Oh please. There's hardly anything to master. There's obviously a lot of people who don't play it right, but then "getting good" at it is pretty thankless because at no point does it actually get fun or engaging. It's just a shallow husk of the much better games its trying to emulate.

[zpc]

Oh please, it is enough to rile up people to come here and rage about obvious stuff which can be learned within a few battles.

What seems easy for one is "hard" for others. Just imagine if this crusade mode has a more sofisticated mechanic - people would go [even more] nuts.

[Edmund Greyfox]

Originally posted by Amoc:

Originally posted by zpc:

Like any game mechanic one has to master it.

The crusade mode works on the same principles as the party based combat - so there are counter units for undeads. And those are available pretty early. Hint: clerics.

Oh please. There's hardly anything to master. There's obviously a lot of people who don't play it right, but then "getting good" at it is pretty thankless because at no point does it actually get fun or engaging. It's just a shallow husk of the much better games its trying to emulate.

I guess i must be the only person in the world that actually like the crusader side of the game. I'm not saying it's perfect, but i find it makes a nice break from constant dungeon crawling. Once you figure it out it's not really hard, though there are a few enemy units that i think need to be nerfed a bit (damage from swarms, and it's too easy for lillitu and succubi to take control of your units).

[Amoc]

I'm aware that there are people that are saying "Crusade is fun", but I suspect they'd say that about almost any system hamfisted onto this game.

As a tactical battle system, even a mini-game, this one is embarrassing. It couldn't be any less tactical than it actually is, and a lot of the mechanics (like hospital spam) are poorly tested, poorly balanced and plain old boring.

If you've ever played ANYTHING like Wrath's Crusade battles before (ie. Heroes, Disciples, King's Bounty) you'd know that this is a complete faceplant.

If I need a "break" from dungeon crawling, I would rather play almost literally anything than this debacle.

[Klutch]

anybody saying they dont like the crusades is beyond daft

[Amoc]

lol wut?

[Sador]

Originally posted by Amoc:

I'm aware that there are people that are saying "Crusade is fun", but I suspect they'd say that about almost any system hamfisted onto this game.

"People disagree with me, so their opinion must be wrong." Some people just like different things than you do. It's okay, really.

I like it. It's just challenging enough that occasionally you need to use some strategy to overcome difficult fights, while simultaneously being simple enough that you don't have to go out of your way to learn a new type of game (which I'd be fine with, but obviously a lot of people not so much). Meanwhile, it allows for some breaks in between the constant party fights which makes both sides more enjoyable.

I actually missed it in Act 4.

[ec928]

LOL! My advice is to not take 200+ turns to win. It's not that hard.

[Edmund Greyfox]

Originally posted by Amoc:

I'm aware that there are people that are saying "Crusade is fun", but I suspect they'd say that about almost any system hamfisted onto this game.

As a tactical battle system, even a mini-game, this one is embarrassing. It couldn't be any less tactical than it actually is, and a lot of the mechanics (like hospital spam) are poorly tested, poorly balanced and plain old boring.

If you've ever played ANYTHING like Wrath's Crusade battles before (ie. Heroes, Disciples, King's Bounty) you'd know that this is a complete faceplant.

If I need a "break" from dungeon crawling, I would rather play almost literally anything than this debacle.

You're welcome to your opinion. Frankly it reminds me of the systems from some of the old console conquest games like Temujin. I freely admit it's not great, but when you take into consideration that it's just a mini game within an RPG it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

[zpc]

Originally posted by Sador:

Originally posted by Amoc:

I'm aware that there are people that are saying "Crusade is fun", but I suspect they'd say that about almost any system hamfisted onto this game.

"People disagree with me, so their opinion must be wrong." Some people just like different things than you do. It's okay, really.

I like it. It's just challenging enough that occasionally you need to use some strategy to overcome difficult fights, while simultaneously being simple enough that you don't have to go out of your way to learn a new type of game (which I'd be fine with, but obviously a lot of people not so much). Meanwhile, it allows for some breaks in between the constant party fights which makes both sides more enjoyable.

I actually missed it in Act 4.

Same - I like the crusade mode a lot.

Playing a pathfinder game from Owlcat is also about the management part. If one doesn't like that he/she/it should stick with other crpg games. Fortunately there are plenty of those around these days.