Raise dead ignored

[haran.yakir]

I keep coming back to the fact that raising the dead is completely ignored story-wise. In this kind of setting - where raising the dead, while not an everyday occurrence, is still pretty common - completely ignoring it is very jarring to me. Especially where important characters are concerned and my party has the ability to bring them back right here and now

[phadin]

Even resurrection and true resurrection have limits. They can't bring back something that was undead, for example, nor can they bring back someone that died of old age. Reincarnation can bypass the age thing, but that also means being reborn in a new body, which comes with other issues.

The other thing to keep in mind is simply money. Even a regular Raise Dead spell costs a lot of money. (5000 gp in tabletop). Thats an amount of money only nobles or the like are likely to be able to afford, and even then not a lot. Keep in mind, in this world, the average income of a trained skilled worker is about 1 gp a day. Untrained workers get even less. Affording somethign that costs 5000 gp is way out of scope. Resurrection and True Resurrection cost even more.

There is also, as someone earlier mentioned, the willingness aspect. It coudl be the dead creature is just... done with life and ready to move on. Additionally, Pharasma, as a goddess of fate, knows when a soul arrives on the river if that soul is destinted to be resurrected or should be sent on as a petitioner in their appropriate plane of existence. Once a soul becomes a petitioner, it can NOT be resurrected. It has already moved on to the next phase of the soul cycle.

[Gracey Face]

Escrito originalmente por Tourak:

But resurrection and true resurrection have no such restriction, I don't see any reason to not be able to use it on your allies. Btw, you can cast raise dead on some one with a missing leg or arm, they'll just come back without the limb needing a regeneration spell to regrow the lost limb.

Lvl 8 casters aren't much of a step down from lvl 9. Even lvl 6 casters are rare. We have an artificial sense of how common they are since we can get that high.

Reincarnate does work, but at the same time it violates the laws of nature so isn't something that should happen too often, which is the narrative limiter on that.

[Gracey Face]

Escrito originalmente por phadin:

Even resurrection and true resurrection have limits. They can't bring back something that was undead, for example.

They actually can. Technically you have to destroy their undead form first, but since you'd have to do that to find their body anyway most likely it's basically the same thing.

[Tourak]

Escrito originalmente por Gracey Face:

Escrito originalmente por Tourak:

But resurrection and true resurrection have no such restriction, I don't see any reason to not be able to use it on your allies. Btw, you can cast raise dead on some one with a missing leg or arm, they'll just come back without the limb needing a regeneration spell to regrow the lost limb.

Lvl 8 casters aren't much of a step down from lvl 9. Even lvl 6 casters are rare. We have an artificial sense of how common they are since we can get that high.

Reincarnate does work, but at the same time it violates the laws of nature so isn't something that should happen too often, which is the narrative limiter on that.

But we are talking about our character that as access to those spell, so that's a moot point.

[Tourak]

Escrito originalmente por phadin:

There is also, as someone earlier mentioned, the willingness aspect. It coudl be the dead creature is just... done with life and ready to move on. Additionally, Pharasma, as a goddess of fate, knows when a soul arrives on the river if that soul is destinted to be resurrected or should be sent on as a petitioner in their appropriate plane of existence. Once a soul becomes a petitioner, it can NOT be resurrected. It has already moved on to the next phase of the soul cycle.

Small possible spoiler near the end of the game: Do you truly believe if you fail to save Irabeth and she die. She would refuse a raise dead/resurrection to return with her wife?