Critical hits are not happening when they should?

[pbdunton]

Can anyone explain this screenshot? I got really excited about the Impending Demise item. I added Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Sai) on my undead Staunton so he can use it and have some damage dealing capability. But he still doesn't ever hit monsters with high AC and I finally got a great screenshot of what must be a bug.

For reference, the item is supposed to automatically confirm criticals against flanked enemies, and have a crit range of 18-20. In this screenshot you can see that a 19 is rolled, the enemy is flanked, and is not immune to criticals. And yet it is not treated like a critical hit...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2613358691

[♚︎ Alex]

IIRC in Pathfinder, only a NAT 20 is a guaranteed hit, regardless of expanded critical threat range. Expanding your critical threat range gives you a higher chance of dealing critical damage, but doesn't increase your chances to hit indirectly like a DND 5e Champion Fighter or anything.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

You missed the attack. Misses cannot crit.

Only a 20 auto-hits. If a 19 misses then it doesn't matter that your threat range is 18-20, because it missed.

[jRocket]

People here not even reading the question. The item he is attacking with is a special item that is supposed to auto-confirm crits, but it doesn't because it is bugged like a good amount of this game is. Report the bug using the in-game bug reporting system and maybe they will fix it.

[pbdunton]

Oh ok thanks. So you have to roll within your range, which also has to be a hit, and then you also have to confirm the critical. Thats a lot of gates to get through against an enemy with an AC of 60. How does anyone enjoy playing a non-spell-damage main character? I'm legitimately asking because I was thinking about doing it, but every once in a while in my current run I go up against an enemy that makes any attack roll character completely impotent.

[kiloromeo]

Did not hit AC 60 with a d20 roll of 19 + attack modifer of 26 for total of 45. Less than 60. Miss.
Only a roll of 20 is automatic hit.

[Storm]

Originally posted by kiloromeo:

Did not hit AC 60 with a d20 roll of 19 + attack modifer of 26 for total of 45. Less than 60. Miss.
Only a roll of 20 is automatic hit.

Unless what john said is right about auto confirming critical hits (special item). Similar to "quarry" I assume?

[djinnxy]

You roll a 20 that's a crit, but you still need to roll to confirm it. The item auto confirms an initial roll on crit not makes everything auto-crit.

[♚︎ Alex]

Originally posted by pbdunton:

Oh ok thanks. So you have to roll within your range, which also has to be a hit, and then you also have to confirm the critical. Thats a lot of gates to get through against an enemy with an AC of 60. How does anyone enjoy playing a non-spell-damage main character? I'm legitimately asking because I was thinking about doing it, but every once in a while in my current run I go up against an enemy that makes any attack roll character completely impotent.

In Act 4 I was regularly getting pretty high hit chance my main damage dealers, like high 40's.

I don't have access to the PC with my save on it so I can't post screens or give exact specifics, but IIRC I had Arue use Instant Enemy and Ranger's bond to share the increased hit chance, Mutagens, Bless, Evil Eye from Ember, and hit chance feats.

Not very helpful I know, but Arue and Woljiff were regularly getting hit chances in the low 50's high 40's, hitting for 60+ with sneak attack. Camelia and my Dex Scion MC were sitting in the high 30's most of the time, but they mostly tanked so it didn't matter that much, and they were good enough for most mobs.

[Pipmalice / 悪気ピップ]

It is a crit! it just is a crit that doesn't connect with the opponent! so it is a miss. A 20 is a crit AND auto hits, but the automatical hit is part in the rule set about 20's , not about crits. Even a crit can still miss, auto confirmed or not.

Basicly Miss>Crit

[Andante]

Originally posted by John:

People here not even reading the question. The item he is attacking with is a special item that is supposed to auto-confirm crits, but it doesn't because it is bugged like a good amount of this game is. Report the bug using the in-game bug reporting system and maybe they will fix it.

item is not bugged, pathfinder only 20s hit, and when your 20s hit you have to reroll against AC for it to crit, the item makes it so his 20s hit and crit instead or reroll.

[kiloromeo]

Originally posted by pbdunton:

Oh ok thanks. So you have to roll within your range, which also has to be a hit, and then you also have to confirm the critical. Thats a lot of gates to get through against an enemy with an AC of 60. How does anyone enjoy playing a non-spell-damage main character? I'm legitimately asking because I was thinking about doing it, but every once in a while in my current run I go up against an enemy that makes any attack roll character completely impotent.

This item, if you roll a 20 you should then get a crit without a second roll.
Seems you are somewhat outclassed in this fight.
Regarding spells then you have to overcome Saving Throws and sometimes also SpellResistance and/or Imunities....
So much fun!

[TripSin]

Originally posted by John:

People here not even reading the question. The item he is attacking with is a special item that is supposed to auto-confirm crits, but it doesn't because it is bugged like a good amount of this game is. Report the bug using the in-game bug reporting system and maybe they will fix it.

The game is incredibly bugged but this isn't one of them.

Only natural 20's always successfully hit (i.e. can't miss). Normally, you would have to do a reroll to see if that hit crits or not (but his weapon will make any 20 also be a crit automatically). He rolled a 19, which is not a 20, so it is not guaranteed to hit and will miss if the attack roll total is less than enemy's AC. Because his attack roll was less than the AC, it missed. Missed attacks can't crit. If, with his modifiers, it overcame the enemy's AC and was a successful hit then his weapon would automatically make it a crit without needing a second roll.

[Planeforger]

Originally posted by John:

People here not even reading the question. The item he is attacking with is a special item that is supposed to auto-confirm crits, but it doesn't because it is bugged like a good amount of this game is. Report the bug using the in-game bug reporting system and maybe they will fix it.

"Auto-confirm" Isn't the same as "auto-crit". You still have to hit the enemy first.

The screenshot showed a situation where an attack in the crit range (less than 20) missed. If a 19 hit, it would have automatically confirmed a critical hit. Since the 19 missed, it didn't. That's working as intended.