Why is the random dice roller so bad?

[Nancy]

This is a beautiful game but the random dice roller is terrible. I have never seen so many 1's or 2's rolled by my characters in any game. The dice roller is worse than BG3 and that is pretty bad. The devs really need to look into this

[Fluff]

Went Trickster path for my another playthrough and i was never so happy with 1 rolls :D

[JustSmile]

I love those threads.

BG3 dice roller is biased towards the player, the data compiled by players (who actually look at the numbers instead of having a feeling) leaves no doubt to that fact. It literally fixes the rolls so you roll better.
WotR dice are perfectly fair. In another topic a dude's written an application to compile and examine rolls from the log files, there's not a shred of anything out of the ordinary with data.

[Sador]

BG3 is actively cheating in your favor and the dice in this game are perfectly fine as far as everyone who have done some testing is concerned.

Long story short: humans are absolutely awful at understanding how RNG works, they see patterns when they aren't there and think the rolls should be in their favor a LOT more than it actually should be.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Nancy:

This is a beautiful game but the random dice roller is terrible. I have never seen so many 1's or 2's rolled by my characters in any game. The dice roller is worse than BG3 and that is pretty bad. The devs really need to look into this

This thread offers you a solution: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1184370/discussions/0/2961670087540041638/

[Viper]

Typical roll in the game has you needing a 9 or better to hit. That is going to happen about 55% of the time. People expect to hit far more often than Pathfinder rules allow. Your not going to get a 90% hit rate ever. Even if you can get up to 70% through feats and buffs. your still going to miss 3 out of 10 times.

[JustSmile]

Originally posted by Viper:

Your not going to get a 90% hit rate ever.

Oh, you absolutely are if you build strong. 100% even, since trickster removes the possibility of ever rolling a 1.

[Viper]

Originally posted by JustSmile:

Originally posted by Viper:

Your not going to get a 90% hit rate ever.

Oh, you absolutely are if you build strong. 100% even, since trickster removes the possibility of ever rolling a 1.

Not in the early game..Not happening. People complain when they first start playing.

[Pipmalice / 悪気ピップ]

The dice roller is so "bad" because they dont skew the result to match people's cognition. Many such games lie to you on purpose to make you feel better. Maybe on easier difficulties it wouldn't be an issue if this game did. But a lot of people tend to feel lied to when they find out. I personally prefer this.

[JustSmile]

Originally posted by Pipmalice / 悪気ピップ:

But a lot of people tend to feel lied to when they find out. I personally prefer this.

No one feels lied to. Xcom fudges heavily in player favour, people complain it's rigged against them. BG3 fudges in player favour, people complain it's biased against.

[Pipmalice / 悪気ピップ]

Originally posted by JustSmile:

Originally posted by Pipmalice / 悪気ピップ:

But a lot of people tend to feel lied to when they find out. I personally prefer this.

No one feels lied to. Xcom fudges heavily in player favour, people complain it's rigged against them. BG3 fudges in player favour, people complain it's biased against.

"No one" would be discounting me and other peoples opinions i've seen on the subject. im not saying its a bad decision because yes people will still feel like it is against them, doesn't mean everyone prefers that(why often there are difficulty settings and it is done mostly on the lower- normal settings)

[Viper]

If you cheat the dice.. You make a lot of spells. attributes, and spells useless. Thats basically why your leveling and taking feats to improve your ability to do things. The dice are fine. Build your character to get better.

[Saint Tivadar]

With any RNG dice rolling system, given enough time you will encounter some weird things like rolling a lot of 1s in a row and so on. That's just how RNG dice systems go along with human psychology, we notice the bad but the good just flies over our heads.

I don't know what Owlcat uses because they haven't published it, but if it's anything like Blood Bowl 2's or Roll20's dice rolling system. They're pretty fair and "RNG" as RNG systems go, we just notice when we roll five 1s in a row because that really sucks.

https://wiki.roll20.net/QuantumRoll (I was butthurt enough in a Roll20 D&D game after rolling four 1s in a row that I actually looked up the RNG system)

https://steamcommunity.com/app/236690/discussions/0/1496741765131191182/ For Blood Bowl 2's dice rolling system.

[Nancy]

I would disagree that this dice roller is not biased. I have taken the mythic feat for extra sonic damage on a miss because the dice roller is terrible. Aboslutely terrible. In an hours worth of game play I miss on average 15 to 20 times and the dice roller is absolute trash. I take every benefit possible through buffs, potions and flanks. There should be no way statically that a 1-3 should crop up as often as it does. To miss three consecutive rounds in a row with a 15% miss chance should be extremely rare but this dice roller accomplishes the feat no problem. If I crit as much as I miss this game would be a cake walk. RIght now, its extremely frustrating

[Pipmalice / 悪気ピップ]

Originally posted by Nancy:

I would disagree that this dice roller is not biased. I have taken the mythic feat for extra sonic damage on a miss because the dice roller is terrible. Aboslutely terrible. In an hours worth of game play I miss on average 15 to 20 times and the dice roller is absolute trash. I take every benefit possible through buffs, potions and flanks. There should be no way statically that a 1-3 should crop up as often as it does. To miss three consecutive rounds in a row with a 15% miss chance should be extremely rare but this dice roller accomplishes the feat no problem. If I crit as much as I miss this game would be a cake walk. RIght now, its extremely frustrating

And are you basing these numbers of your perception or actually collecting every single roll, from say the log , and then compiling this into a visible distribution as some seem to have done?

[sevensided]

Originally posted by Nancy:

I would disagree that this dice roller is not biased~

You can disagree all you want, but you're wrong. Every bit of data pulled collected on the dice rolls shows it being a perfectly normal d20. You're just human.