I don't get why this game has 80% positive reviews

[Ana]

As far as I have seen, the game has great graphics, Artistic Direction, music, several new classes and Gameplay is even flexible (Turn-based vs Real-time ; turning off the map control battles if you don't like it).

I don't get why a game like Pillars of Eternity 2 would get 90% positive reviews while from what I see it is a bit behind what Pathfinder WOTR offers.

I have not bought the game and I realllllly doubt whether I should buy it.
My doubt is based on this 80% positive reviews score (even though it is quite high).

Do you get why it only has 80%?

[Kurosu]

Publicado originalmente por Reffy:

Publicado originalmente por Something completely different:

Bugs.

That the game still scores 80% with those shows it's really a gem of a game.

It shows that people will buy all the garbage that comes out lately.

Yet here you are, commenting on the forums of a game you do not own to begin with.

People are defending scams like Cyberpunk 2077. Its only natural that a good game gets high scores.

And it would in fact be far more than 80% if it wasnt for 1 )all the review bombing by people who bought the game, reviews and then refunded 2) The group of people that showed up on release and tried to spread political propaganda and mislead the community 3) the amount of people who exagarate about bugs .

To clarify on the latest, I am not saying they do not exist or that there are no serious ones ( some can even corrupt your save) but just earlier today I met a guy complaining about act 5 when he hasnt even finished act 3.

I mean...come on.

[Erei]

Publicado originalmente por Kurosu:

Publicado originalmente por Reffy:

It shows that people will buy all the garbage that comes out lately.

Yet here you are, commenting on the forums of a game you do not own to begin with.

People are defending scams like Cyberpunk 2077. Its only natural that a good game gets high scores.

And it would in fact be far more than 80% if it wasnt for 1 )all the review bombing by people who bought the game, reviews and then refunded 2) The group of people that showed up on release and tried to spread political propaganda and mislead the community 3) the amount of people who exagarate about bugs .

To clarify on the latest, I am not saying they do not exist or that there are no serious ones ( some can even corrupt your save) but just earlier today I met a guy complaining about act 5 when he hasnt even finished act 3.

I mean...come on.

You can own the game on other platform than Steam. Amazing, isn't it ?

Also, it's kinda ironic you say CP77 is a "scam" while pathfinder is basically twice as bugged. And bigger bugs to. While CP had shortcoming in civilian Ai and some of its content, the bugs where not that bad. Mostly graphical glitches. I did 2 playthrough, and I only had 2-3 times I had to save-load to fix a game issue. And a very minor sidequest that I couldn't complete in the "peaceful" way.
Meanwhile, WOTR have literal gamebreaking bugs, like respeccing will break your save, and you won't know until act 5. Not sure if it was fixed yet, but it was true until a few days ago, at the very least.

Kingmaker was even worse in that regard. I was blocked in progression 2-3times, sidequests were bugged like crazy.

So, no, CP77 was not a scam IMO, and neither is this game. But both were very bugged on release. And Pathfinder had/have very, very bad bugs that is very frustrating to deal with.

And for both Pathfinder and CP I have faith they will both be fixed eventually. Both company have shown they make good on their promise, CDPRJEKT with their Witcher series, and Owlcat with kingmaker.

[Red Phantom]

Kingmaker pretty definitively shows that this game will be fixed eventually, it just might take a while. Kingmaker works great now, though.

[Tim, the Enchanter]

Publicado originalmente por Erei:

So, no, CP77 was not a scam IMO, and neither is this game. But both were very bugged on release. And Pathfinder had/have very, very bad bugs that is very frustrating to deal with.

And for both Pathfinder and CP I have faith they will both be fixed eventually. Both company have shown they make good on their promise, CDPRJEKT with their Witcher series, and Owlcat with kingmaker.

Most people refer to CP77 being a scam not due to the bugs but the lack of actual content that they advertised would be in the game all the way up to release date. And what features it did have were lacking or made no sense as to why the game devs decided to implement it that way. (the entire armor/clothes system for example) Any bugs complained about were just the cherry on top of everything else. If CP77 was only badly received due to bugs, it wouldve had people going back to it in droves once it started to get fixes and there wouldn't be so much negative press about it.

This game has a mountain of bugs but the game underneath is a great cRPG. And it wasn't overhyped/marketed with features that are not part of the actual game.

[Fistimus Maximus]

Only the bugs, loving the game despite them but they do effect enjoyment/experience. Looking forward to more pathfinder content from them.

[Veg]

Buggy, terrible crusade system that makes no sense, wrong tool tips, SJW crap shoved in peoples faces.

[Erei]

Publicado originalmente por Tim, the Enchanter:

Publicado originalmente por Erei:

So, no, CP77 was not a scam IMO, and neither is this game. But both were very bugged on release. And Pathfinder had/have very, very bad bugs that is very frustrating to deal with.

And for both Pathfinder and CP I have faith they will both be fixed eventually. Both company have shown they make good on their promise, CDPRJEKT with their Witcher series, and Owlcat with kingmaker.

Most people refer to CP77 being a scam not due to the bugs but the lack of actual content that they advertised would be in the game all the way up to release date. And what features it did have were lacking or made no sense as to why the game devs decided to implement it that way. (the entire armor/clothes system for example) Any bugs complained about were just the cherry on top of everything else. If CP77 was only badly received due to bugs, it wouldve had people going back to it in droves once it started to get fixes and there wouldn't be so much negative press about it.

This game has a mountain of bugs but the game underneath is a great cRPG. And it wasn't overhyped/marketed with features that are not part of the actual game.

I enjoyed my time in CP77. I don't play it anymore because I did all I had to. And spent 80-90h in it, which is quite decent.

People got hyped hard, and disappointed. I didn't follow the hype train (just watch the E3 video, I think it was ?), so I was only judging the game with what it was offering, and it was, overall, a good game. Had its flaws, for sure.

Witcher 3 had tons of post release content, free or otherwise. Same for witcher 2 if I remember correctly. We'll see if it holds true for CP77 to (they planned to do it, but lost money on it, so they might not do it). I wouldn't be surprised if some of the "promised" things they said would come in those updates, if they do them.


As for people not playing it anymore, I mean, it makes sense ? It's a solo game, once you did the content, there is little else to do. Just like any solo player game, pathfinder included.

[RiseAgain]

I played both WoTR and PIllars of Eternity 2. I enjoy both, but I can think of a few reasons why PoE 2 has a higher rating:

- Bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. PoE 2 is a lot more focused experience when compared to WoTR, and the extra gameplay mechanics it offers (like running your ship) don't get in the way of the main game. Meanwhile, WoTR's crusade mechanic can, sometimes, get in the way of the RPG part of the game, especially since you have to spend time upgrading your army and conquering demon forts in order to unlock different parts of the map.

- Poe 2 allows your character to fight side by side with the crewmembers you've recruited throughout the game, especially during boarding actions. WoTR doesn't allow your character to fight side-by-side with the armies you created.

- PoE 2 rewards exploration. Newly discovered islands in PoE 2 often have food, treasures and material you can use to improve your character and your pirate crew. Meawhile, WoTR punishes explorarion with its "corruption" mechanic that lowers your stats and forces you to periodically teleport to your main city (or the nearest village with a teleport beacon) so you can get rid of the corruption and get your stats back to normal.

- Bugs. PoE 2 has its share of issues, but WoTR is worse in this regard. Both games were made with Unity, by the way.

- Performance. WoTR's performance leaves a lot to be desired when compared to PoE 2 or other cRPG's like Divinity: Original Sin 2.

[malkavius77]

Going to reiterate again both DoS1 and 2 big RPGs and did several play throughs with zero bugs. Stop enabling companies to make unfinished games and then defending them "bUt AlL RpGs HaVe BuGs Durrrr".

Kingmaker took almost a year to get get playable without mods. And I had a crap PC and bought it for PS4 and it was HORRIBLY optimized and pretty much unplayable after what 2 years? And still is unplayable on console. Can't refund it though.

Owlcat knew they were releasing an unfinished game that's why most of the game breaking bugs don't come in till you spend anywhere from 20-60 hours in. So reviewers wouldn't be able to ♥♥♥♥ all over it since most don't have the time to drop 60+ hours in for a game review.

[TripSin]

Publicado originalmente por Erei:

Witcher 3 had tons of post release content, free or otherwise. Same for witcher 2 if I remember correctly. We'll see if it holds true for CP77 to (they planned to do it, but lost money on it, so they might not do it). I wouldn't be surprised if some of the "promised" things they said would come in those updates, if they do them.

Cyberpunk 2077 did not lose money. Even with its problematic release it still made hundreds of millions in net profit.

[caseyg210]

I like the game and it has a lot of potential but my review is currently negative. There are an inexcusable amount of bugs. I haven't encountered anything that stopped me from completing quests or progressing in the game, but there are countless bugs affecting turned based combat (using charge is just as likely to do nothing and waste your turn as it is to actually charge), feats, class features, spells, etc . The mythic feats and powers are particularly egregious since a quarter or so of them either do nothing at all, or don't work as advertised. And I am so freaking sick of constantly having to reactivate that darn holy symbol I could scream.

If you want to respecc a character to replace one of the many feats, mythic features, etc that don't work you get locked out of achievements for core or hard difficulty. Moreover, the respecc feature within the game is also high buggy and often introduces new bugs when using it. I SUBMIT A BUG REPORT EVERY 15 MINUTES OR SO AND NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS BEEN FIXED, since the game's release. They are clearly not concerned with broken class features, feats, etc right now, they are fixing the stuff that stops you from progressing, which is reasonable, but AS OF NOW ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO RECOMMEND THE GAME.

[Fistimus Maximus]

Publicado originalmente por caseyg210:

I like the game and it has a lot of potential but my review is currently negative. There are an inexcusable amount of bugs. I haven't encountered anything that stopped me from completing quests or progressing in the game, but there are countless bugs affecting turned based combat (using charge is just as likely to do nothing and waste your turn as it is to actually charge), feats, class features, spells, etc . The mythic feats and powers are particularly egregious since a quarter or so of them either do nothing at all, or don't work as advertised. And I am so freaking sick of constantly having to reactivate that darn holy symbol I could scream.

If you want to respecc a character to replace one of the many feats, mythic features, etc that don't work you get locked out of achievements for core or hard difficulty. Moreover, the respecc feature within the game is also high buggy and often introduces new bugs when using it. I SUBMIT A BUG REPORT EVERY 15 MINUTES OR SO AND NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS BEEN FIXED, since the game's release. They are clearly not concerned with broken class features, feats, etc right now, they are fixing the stuff that stops you from progressing, which is reasonable, but AS OF NOW ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO RECOMMEND THE GAME.

Have to agree remember having same issue when kingmaker first released and returned to the game over a year later and had such a different experience(positive). Game is fun but till the bugs are ironed out hard to recommend just because i think it would sully the experience as im really enjoying the setting/gameplay.

[Dying pancake]

Pillars of Eternity 2 is really just so so, like Poe1 story ends like in the middle

[Brahson]

encounter design is also something that uh has room for improvement

At the final battle of chapter 1 you get these superpowers and are supposed to destroy the seemingly overwhelming stream of demons but sadly 3 birds join the fight (2 of which you cant target on the first turn, but they can act) that do "Stunning Screech" which can stun you, which leads to the demons ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you up while stunned. Totally degrading this setpiece to a frustrating experience of "i hope i make my save or else i die" three times over instead of the cool thing they were going for; you get blessed with godly powers at a pivotal moment and ♥♥♥♥ up the demons so hard they actually run away from you.

Thanks encounter designer at Owlcat, you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ muppet

[MightyMickey88]

Publicado originalmente por Brahson:

encounter design is also something that uh has room for improvement

At the final battle of chapter 1 you get these superpowers and are supposed to destroy the seemingly overwhelming stream of demons but sadly 3 birds join the fight (2 of which you cant target on the first turn, but they can act) that do "Stunning Screech" which can stun you, which leads to the demons ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you up while stunned. Totally degrading this setpiece to a frustrating experience of "i hope i make my save or else i die" three times over instead of the cool thing they were going for; you get blessed with godly powers at a pivotal moment and ♥♥♥♥ up the demons so hard they actually run away from you.

Thanks encounter designer at Owlcat, you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ muppet

For me that encounter wasn’t particularly “challenging” but that’s precisely the point. By giving you god powers it totally drew me out of the experience and I just pushed through that act with no sense of stakes. You were given npcs to handhold you through battles too powerful to handle alone and then god powers to handhold you through the finale. It’s bad DMing 101 to take the focus off the players and have them saved by outside forces rather than their own power / ingenuity.

That said act 2’s assault on drezen was very well done 👍