Skill Check

[Seba]

So not sure if this is a bug or just how it work but shoulden't nat 20 roll on skill check still count as success even if they do not reach the total DC needed?

[Fluff]

Depends on DM.

Doesn't work like that in this game, with Lexicon especially.

[Takichi]

Pure by Core Rule´s yes. But there is a Optional Rule which changes that. And i think this Rule is used in Wrath aswell, so that you not only by "Chance" get some Skill Checks which are supposed to be done by a Specalist.

[SmallGespenst]

I believe that a difficulty 20 check would represent something outright impossible for the character. so it's sensible that you can fail with a nat 20, no amount of luck can let your halfling wizard lift that gigantic boulder

[Fluff]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

I believe that a difficulty 20 check would represent something outright impossible for the character. so it's sensible that you can fail with a nat 20, no amount of luck can let your halfling wizard lift that gigantic boulder

Yeah. Well athletics and mobility checks on nat 20 as auto (or greater) success can be explained by a sudden burst of adrenaline, rage and so on.

But i don't know how to explain nat 20 auto success for something like Knowledge Nature if you never in your life had those Nature knowledges or practice e.g :d

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by Tusk_Luv:

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

I believe that a difficulty 20 check would represent something outright impossible for the character. so it's sensible that you can fail with a nat 20, no amount of luck can let your halfling wizard lift that gigantic boulder

Yeah. Well athletics and mobility checks on nat 20 as auto (or greater) success can be explained by a sudden burst of adrenaline, rage and so on.

But i don't know how to explain nat 20 auto success for something like Knowledge Nature if you never in your life had those Nature knowledges or practice e.g :d

an extremely lucky guess/intuition?

[Fluff]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

an extremely lucky guess/intuition?

It's hard to make some hard medicine , chemisty , explosives without knowing what you'r doing, as i suppose some DC>30 would be,

but luck can always have a place yes :D

[DocStout]

By the core rules, only saving throws and attack rolls (also Con checks to stabilize or wake up, which aren't in this game, I think... and maybe CMB checks that aren't to escape bonds/grapples?) succeed automatically on natural 20s. Some GMs might rule differently, but that has consequences like letting characters have a 5% chance to jump across or over literally anything.

[jsaving]

Correct, it is not true and never has been that a 20 on a skill check automatically succeeds in Pathfinder.

[Seba]

Yes thats why it was a question more than anything, i m more familiar with D&D ruleset since i never actually played pathfinder other that both of the games they made (which i love). does that mean then nat 1 is not instant failure in check as well? because if u are only taking to account only one extreme seams unfair

[DocStout]

Originally posted by Seba:

Yes thats why it was a question more than anything, i m more familiar with D&D ruleset since i never actually played pathfinder other that both of the games they made (which i love). does that mean then nat 1 is not instant failure in check as well? because if u are only taking to account only one extreme seams unfair

This is correct. While many of the Skill Check DCs are set high enough that a natural 1 is likely to fail, it is 100% possible to have a skill that can't fail certain checks. My Trickster-path Skald regularly dunks on Persuasion Checks completely independent of roll result, often passing the check by 10 or more even on a nat 1.

[Lord_WC]

Neither in pathfinder nor in dnd a nat20 skill roll is a success (or a nat1 a fail) - same with SR, dispel or concentration checks.
Nat20 only applies to attacks and saving throws really. I think saving throws were taken out of this in 5th edition, but I don't play that junk.

[Tourak]

Originally posted by Lord_WC:

Neither in pathfinder nor in dnd a nat20 skill roll is a success (or a nat1 a fail) - same with SR, dispel or concentration checks.
Nat20 only applies to attacks really.

And save

[Lord_WC]

Originally posted by Tourak:

Originally posted by Lord_WC:

Neither in pathfinder nor in dnd a nat20 skill roll is a success (or a nat1 a fail) - same with SR, dispel or concentration checks.
Nat20 only applies to attacks really.

And save

Yes, I corrected it, had to look up because that changed through the editions and didn't want to post incorrect information.

[[SWE]Junker]

Originally posted by Seba:

So not sure if this is a bug or just how it work but shoulden't nat 20 roll on skill check still count as success even if they do not reach the total DC needed?

You know what you know !! A Nat 20 and Nat 1 only works on attack rolls !! If you had a Nat 20 on an impossible jump for example (like to the moon) you would succeed if it was possible !!

[Seba]

i did notice once i failed a saving throw a will saving throws after i got a nat 20 but it was a story one, like the one in dialogue maybe that was a bug since it kinda look like a skill check there, but cant confirm is something similar happened when a spell was cast in combat etc