Gresilla, Priestess Of Noctilla

[SnuffSaid]

Can anybody tell me what the hell is even going on in this fight? I've gotten used to the fact that enemies like this can pretty much only be hit on a 20, on top of mirror image and concealment's 50% miss which you can't dispel because they have about dozen buffs and it'll get rid of a random one you didn't care about...But she just dimension doors into my squishy backline and for some inexplicable reason she causes multiple characters to either miss their turn or only attack once per round, I can't figure out what is happening here or how to counter it. The 3 ludicrously OP archers in the background and her negative level guard is just the icing on the cake after she's locked everybody down. Apparently she's a cleric, but she has a decent sneak attack too because, why not I guess? Chuck anything on.

As a side note; one thing I'll never get used to even after both this and Kingmaker is the absurd difficulty spikes. It's like a gentle incline where you're cruising along followed by a random cliff edge.

[Takichi]

引用自 SnuffSaid：

引用自 Takichi：

She isnt Stronger as Nocticulla? Nocticulla would wipe the Floor with you at this Point of the Game :D

She isn't serving or asking if I can beat Nocticulla (despite her name), she's talking about "that brute Darrazand". But let's not read too much into "at this point of the game", considering you beat a much weaker Darrazand in act II and the Darrazand you meet later is significantly more powerful. This is about difficulty scaling and Gresilla is way off the charts in that department.

She does Serv Nocticulla, she is her High Priest for a Matter of Fact and even tells you that. She also tells you that she got commanded to Work with the Other Underlings of the other Demon Lords because they have to at this point, and thats why she is willing to give you the Key you need. Because she knew things already you as a Player dont, Storywise(propably) and that Nocticula doesnt cares in the slightest about what happend in the Fane xD

[SnuffSaid]

引用自 Takichi：

引用自 SnuffSaid：

She isn't serving or asking if I can beat Nocticulla (despite her name), she's talking about "that brute Darrazand". But let's not read too much into "at this point of the game", considering you beat a much weaker Darrazand in act II and the Darrazand you meet later is significantly more powerful. This is about difficulty scaling and Gresilla is way off the charts in that department.

She does Serv Nocticulla, she is her High Priest for a Matter of Fact and even tells you that. She also tells you that she got commanded to Work with the Other Underlings of the other Demon Lords because they have to at this point, and thats why she is willing to give you the Key you need. Because she knew things already you as a Player dont, Storywise(propably) and that Nocticula doesnt cares in the slightest about what happend in the Fane xD

Dude, that was a real straw clutch to save face that really wasn't necessary, it was a simple mistake for you to make, it's not like I was rubbing it in. She is in the service of Darrazand, she wants you to prove you are stronger than Darrazand and you to beat him for her, so your original correction of my post was an error. It really doesn't need to become a bigger thing than that.

[SnuffSaid]

引用自 Dekent：

Is this the summoning ritual when taking Drezden? Let her finish it, the ritual kills her and summons a demon who is much easier to kill and gives nicer loot.

Nay, this is at the end of act III / beginning of act IV

[Droken]

I'm sad. After reading this thread, I was hoping Gresilla would truly be challenging. I have no reason to fight her. Playing as the parent of two Lawful Good paladin children, I taught them to avoid any fights possible to seek a more peaceful resolution.

So I saved the game before hand just to test the toughness of this high priestess. ;p I was sorely disappointed. She fell to a single volly of attacks just like every other foe I've encountered of late.

Build:
1 level of Chevalier [Beast Rider] for a Wolf/Dog mount (trip build with crane feats for AC lol)
2 levels of Paladin for the saving throw bonuses
11 levels of Monk [Sohei] for improved evasion and 2 additional attacks with a Fauchard

Notable Feats include Outflank, Boon Companion, Combat Reflexes, Improved Crit Fauchard, and Power Attack. Mythic Power Attack and Mythic Crit. Ever Ready and Mythical Beast. No need for any armor or physical defenses. Saving throws all 20+ with improved evasion. The mounts with 55+ AC are targeted by all the physical attacks.

Main character is a Mystic Theurge who just buffs the other 2 with both divine and arcane buffs and sits back as they go to town annihilating everything. No will or fort spells land. All damage spells are simply evaded. Melee opponents with AC's as high as Gresilla's 49 are simply chewed through in a single volley of attacks.

The whole fight was over in 3 rounds. =/ This is on core rules difficulty.

[SnuffSaid]

引用自 Droken：

I'm sad. After reading this thread, I was hoping Gresilla would truly be challenging. I have no reason to fight her. Playing as the parent of two Lawful Good paladin children, I taught them to avoid any fights possible to seek a more peaceful resolution.

So I saved the game before hand just to test the toughness of this high priestess. ;p I was sorely disappointed. She fell to a single volly of attacks just like every other foe I've encountered of late.

Build:
1 level of Chevalier [Beast Rider] for a Wolf/Dog mount (trip build with crane feats for AC lol)
2 levels of Paladin for the saving throw bonuses
11 levels of Monk [Sohei] for improved evasion and 2 additional attacks with a Fauchard

Notable Feats include Outflank, Boon Companion, Combat Reflexes, Improved Crit Fauchard, and Power Attack. Mythic Power Attack and Mythic Crit. Ever Ready and Mythical Beast. No need for any armor or physical defenses. Saving throws all 20+ with improved evasion. The mounts with 55+ AC are targeted by all the physical attacks.

Main character is a Mystic Theurge who just buffs the other 2 with both divine and arcane buffs and sits back as they go to town annihilating everything. No will or fort spells land. All damage spells are simply evaded. Melee opponents with AC's as high as Gresilla's 49 are simply chewed through in a single volley of attacks.

The whole fight was over in 3 rounds. =/ This is on core rules difficulty.

I strongly suspect a LOT of the encounters and mechanics have been tweaked since I posted this. Mythic Carnivorous Crystal was the worst offender.

[Kimagure]

By this point, Finnean should be a brilliant energy weapon. That significantly reduces her defenses. Also, buffs like Heroism (Greater), True Seeing, Haste, Greater Magic Weapon, the Sword of Heaven (Angel), Aru's Mark of Justice, and Seelah's Mark of Justice are your friend. It isn't THAT hard to get to hit values of in the mid-50s with the right buffs.

[Sir Nicholas Cage]

Was able to beat her only due to a couple of key spells.

Creeping Doom - spawning 4x swarm minions immune to piercing damage, keeping their archers occupied, plus like 15 guaranteed damage every round

Mind Fog - Gresilla is immune but it kept her guards from draining my melee's constantly, used selective metamagic

Insanity, Confusion - Was able to confuse her archer minions and eventually debuffed Gresilla enough to get insanity to get thru, thanks to evil eye, misfortune, and greater dispel

Boneshaker/Boneshatter - guaranteed damage due to half partial, with no immunties

[Babbles]

It is definitely the Overwhelming Presence. This spell is trotted out by any "I want this to be a hard encounter" encounter in Wrath.

[shadow_kras]

I got her on first try. She and her succubus kept focusing the same squishy target (the one that had the lowest AC), so i kept healing that person and focusing everything I had on them. First cleared the adds, as they have sneak attack and it hurts. Then the boss.
Overwhelming Presence is insanely strong and will keep some companions straight out of the fight.
It was a long fight, but once she was alone, it was a matter of time for her to die, as she cant inflict good damage on non-squishy targets. Make sure you have haste and slows available to balance things out.

[MjKorz]

引用自 shadow_kras：

Overwhelming Presence is insanely strong and will keep some companions straight out of the fight.

Overwhelming Presence is completely negated by Shield of Law - a spell Sosiel has by default at that stage in the game. It conveys an immunity to all mind-affecting effects.

Since Gresilla wastes the first round casting a spell you can become immune to, she poses no real threat since she shouldn't get out of the first round without being disabled, either by the main character or by Nenio:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967557933

[RedwoodElf]

Lots of complicated solutions here. I recommend communal True Sight (no more miss chance or Mirror Image problem) then Corrupt Magic (if you're a Lich with the damaging dispels ability like I am) on the boss, then power her down while she's heaving her lunch on the floor.

[Mr Fred]

Stop blaming the game if at any point you can only hit with a 20 and learn to properly buff up instead... or keep making pointless whine threads up to you.

[Moo]

But the game really is unfair.

[fox5s]

引用自 Dekent：

Is this the summoning ritual when taking Drezden? Let her finish it, the ritual kills her and summons a demon who is much easier to kill and gives nicer loot.

Nah, that's someone else. Also, the person you are talking about is harder to fight depending on how many ritualists you killed. If you only killed one, she gets mega buffed making her significantly worse than the demon they summon. But if you can kill most of them, she's MUCH easier to kill. However, the Achievement is for letting the summoning go through and, like you said, the loot is better that way as well.

[Icedfate]

i just did this fight on core, in turn based mode.
party level 15
MC demonslayer
seelah
lann
arue
daeran
nenio

i slept and cooked demonslayer soup .

nenio buffed, w heroism, all the mass "animall" spells, mage armor
daeran remove fear, shield of faith, barkskin death ward, crusader edge on everyone
seelah aura of courage and blessed weapon on as many as i could.

lann, mc, arue all did instant enemy and took her down in 1 round.
all the succubi bows attacked lann, did lots of damage but he survived.
nenio PKed one if the succubus
all my pets tripped and mopped up the remaining enemies.

i'm assuming this thread is about that encounter in act 4


edit : as for blightmaw, you can't kill any of the cultists if you want the ritual to succeed and summon him. otherwise you have to fight the other bad guy that was summoning him and the loot and xp is much worse