Amicia is a terrible human being

[Black Snake]

It is so baffling playing a character like her. She is the most destructive monster and the main villain of this series. She is consistently wrong about every single action she takes in this game. EVERY SINGLE time. She and Hugo has a body count in the thousands because she is so blind as a char she can't even see obvious red flags. You can't even make the excuse that she is desperate. She makes wild assumptions based on nothing, gets thousands of innocent people killed, doesn't see red flags that are very obvious to every other character (even Hugo the five year old kid calls out). But then tries to defend her and Hugo's actions. I can't think of a single time in this entire game where she did one thing that was good. She is a monstrous dictator that will kill anyone who dares get in her way and it's almost scary how villainous she is in this game.

[inovade]

her character really reduced to a reckless, killing machine
the story is worst than the first one

[lily40k]

Originally posted by Black Snake:

It is so baffling playing a character like her. She is the most destructive monster and the main villain of this series. She is consistently wrong about every single action she takes in this game. EVERY SINGLE time. She and Hugo has a body count in the thousands because she is so blind as a char she can't even see obvious red flags. You can't even make the excuse that she is desperate. She makes wild assumptions based on nothing, gets thousands of innocent people killed, doesn't see red flags that are very obvious to every other character (even Hugo the five year old kid calls out). But then tries to defend her and Hugo's actions. I can't think of a single time in this entire game where she did one thing that was good. She is a monstrous dictator that will kill anyone who dares get in her way and it's almost scary how villainous she is in this game.

personally i found villlans to be the most annoying and irrational

First game you have 150 year old falling apart old man who has nothing better to do than chase power? really?

Second game you have a completely irrational simp that cant help himself but to simp for some terrible woman.

I somewhat enjoyed the first game, yeah the characters didnt make much sense but it was ok. The second game i simply stopped caring for anyone and just wanted everyone to die.

[RecoveringAddict]

Its kinda dope tho, like not to sound annoying but thats the point they were trying to make in Requiem, well two points, one about Amicia being a horrible selfish murderer, and that optimism and love are blinding, like 90% of the players like Amicia because "oh she protects brother what a good sister" when in reality she is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane, but because no one ever says that you have to slightly read between the lines to understand shes selfish and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, she doesnt care about the plague she or even Hugo for that matter, she just doesnt want to be alone and is obsessed with him. I mean cmon guys there are lines where she is talking about wanting blood and ♥♥♥♥ while making Hugo use the rats for revenge, basically killing him then and there.

[Black Snake]

Originally posted by RecoveringAddict:

Its kinda dope tho, like not to sound annoying but thats the point they were trying to make in Requiem, well two points, one about Amicia being a horrible selfish murderer, and that optimism and love are blinding, like 90% of the players like Amicia because "oh she protects brother what a good sister" when in reality she is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane, but because no one ever says that you have to slightly read between the lines to understand shes selfish and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, she doesnt care about the plague she or even Hugo for that matter, she just doesnt want to be alone and is obsessed with him. I mean cmon guys there are lines where she is talking about wanting blood and ♥♥♥♥ while making Hugo use the rats for revenge, basically killing him then and there.

So true. The reason this rubs me the wrong way in a game like this and not another game where you kill bad guys is that this game WANTS you to sympathize with Amicia. She is supposed to be this sad troubled case who has to overcome all odds. But she does so many harsh things that contradict that. Says "pity me" while holding a gun to another guys head. They want you to feel bad for being forced to kill but most of the killing could be avoided if she had been smart and listened to others.

This isn't something like horizon, uncharted, or tomb raider where the main characters are trying to be non killers. They never once really ask us to feel sad for killing. So you don't hate them for doing what they do.

[vkus-o4ka]

This naive pseudomoral "OMG WHY DID YOU KILL THEM YOU ARE A MUUURDERER NOW!!11" always gives me huge rofls.
"Amicia horrible cause she kills and stupid cause not listening 5yo". I mean, what else she should/could do dealing with the guys aimed to kill HER? Raise hands and like "ok, just stab me dead at once and place me to that pile of hundred corpses you just made"? Is she really so horrible because she kills inquisition executioneers, mercenaries who take down civillians in quarantined areas, human-traffickers, people who killed her mother and who's after her brother to bring the apocalypse consciously? I really wonder what sort of books you've been raised on.

[Bankai9212]

Inquisition is there to stop the spread of the plague, with no cure or means to know if someone is infected. Anyone trying to leave quarantine areas have to be stopped. Human traffickers are sacrificing for the child based on the made up belief the count created thats it. The mothers death was due to Amicia going on there own plus the countess wanting to keep Hugo. The count only uses Hugo to destroy the world once the countess is dead.

[vkus-o4ka]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

Inquisition is there to stop the spread of the plague, with no cure or means to know if someone is infected. Anyone trying to leave quarantine areas have to be stopped. Human traffickers are sacrificing for the child based on the made up belief the count created thats it. The mothers death was due to Amicia going on there own plus the countess wanting to keep Hugo. The count only uses Hugo to destroy the world once the countess is dead.

"Villains just acted according their ideals, soldiers just followed orders, rats just want to eat, there's nothing wrong", nice rhetoric :D Still doesn't prove that defending your relative (even recklessly) is more insane. Worked fine in "Innocence". The problem of this game is whatever action you perform, or whatever decision your character takes, the cutscenes will defeat you. It represents actions as reckless and decisions as illogical. And it drives you to seek for the guilty. Sadly, the main plotline trops of our days.

[9Days]

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[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by Bloody Paul:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

Inquisition is there to stop the spread of the plague, with no cure or means to know if someone is infected. Anyone trying to leave quarantine areas have to be stopped. Human traffickers are sacrificing for the child based on the made up belief the count created thats it. The mothers death was due to Amicia going on there own plus the countess wanting to keep Hugo. The count only uses Hugo to destroy the world once the countess is dead.

"Villains just acted according their ideals, soldiers just followed orders, rats just want to eat, there's nothing wrong", nice rhetoric :D Still doesn't prove that defending your relative (even recklessly) is more insane. Worked fine in "Innocence". The problem of this game is whatever action you perform, or whatever decision your character takes, the cutscenes will defeat you. It represents actions as reckless and decisions as illogical. And it drives you to seek for the guilty. Sadly, the main plotline trops of our days.

Not saying that, but please explain a better way of keeping an incurable plague from spreading. May I also add that scene occurred after learning that the carrier getting angry cause the plague to spread faster.

[I hate EA]

So true. She’s just insufferable. I wish she could die in the first chapter.

[Salt_Extractor]

Necrod thread.
But anyway, she mostly does fine until she gets pissed off. At that point it's just blind rage. But not gonna lie I like the vengeful bloodlust. It's an emotion that's rather hard to represent on a screen.

There is of course something very inspiring about pushing beyond human limits what she does a lot(and emotion filled voice acting helps).
But when you think about it it's very similar to Life is Strange in a sense where you can choose a friend over a mass population.
And at the end they discover that the true cure was to live in peace, that the game should never had happened, and therefor not playing it is the actual happy ending.

Alternate theory, it's weird "protector" magic that makes her the way she is. When Hugo is gone she find peace and wants to use her experiance to help the next protector(she becomes her actual caring self).

As I mentioned Life is Strange it would be nice to get some sort of a sequal (like comics in LiS) with Sofia and Amicia adventures on the sea.

[Mass Actual]

Amicia's eulogy, "Hugo you sacrificed so much."
Me: We let thousands die and killed hundreds ourselves. So yes, we sacrificed a lot to the Rat Gods.

Though I still really like her character even if you all dislike.

[Spec_ops_Gaming]

Originally posted by Black Snake:

Originally posted by Sovereign:

Actually the "guards" we encounter inside the arena were Arnaud's bandits, not Provence soldiers. So they were also there illegally.


I would hardly call trying to save the life of a loved one to be a waste of time.

But she didn't save him. Nothing she did helped him. Not a single thing. Going after the magister in the slums of town, ended with her hating the magister's methods for wanting to quarantine hugo and then the city getting destroyed. The trip to the island. A bunch of running around killing guards, her mother dieing, the entire island getting destroyed and the near destruction of the world. The only thing she got was learning that they tried and failed with the first macula. but that did nothing. Her big reveal at the end of the game was to kill the kid and save the world.

Look I agree she had no way of knowing in the first city that this would happen. I can also fully understand her wanting to kill the guards and getting a little carried away in the barn. I will admit that because I was playing stealthy and trying to avoid killing people, it was very frustrating to go into the next area and be forced to kill a bunch of people while Amicia screams out things like "keep coming! Yes follow me! good dog!" It is really weird that the game praises you for playing stealthy and not killing anyone (actively adding different dialogue) then suddenly she is rambo with a rock. especially when like lucas said, they could have gotten out of there. They didn't HAVE to kill anyone (arguably she did need to kill at least one to save lucas). But if the game wanted me to be a killer right out the gate then dont give options to be pacifist in other sections. It makes the cutscenes and forced kill sections feel way out of place and jarring.

And from there I started liking her less and less. I always felt like I was playing a character who in the first game was extremely smart and cunning to a char in this game that was always angry and quick to kill and betray. At one point she gets mad at the knight for using Hugo for his own deeds. Arnaud wanted to use hugo to kill the captain and that was the only reason he was traveling with them. So for the rest of the game she hates him. He betrayed her trust. I get that. But then a few chapters later she reveals to the pirate sophia that the she had been hiding the truth from her because she needed her. She was actively using the pirate for her own needs. Sophia had no clue what she was getting herself into. She was tricked by amicia for her own needs. the same thing she got mad at Arnaud for doing with them. At least Sophia was a god send of a character and didn't leave her side.

The problem I have with Amicia is that almost everyone in the cast is handeling things with a level head and a sound mind. They say things throughout the story that ironically is correct (won't repeat again because this thread is getting to long). Every single one of the cast has lost loved ones, been attacked by guards, etc. But they continue to take a deep breath and think of a rational solution. And Amicia was that way in the first game. I just keep thinking throughout the game, "stop Amicia. stop fighting with every person you come across and maybe listen to their ideas. They might be wrong but you have been too."

The issue with that is, if they would have gotten to la cuna sooner, before the macula developed into the last stage then she literally could have saved Hugo, like legit if ANYONE had actually listened to what Hugo was saying about his HEAVILY reoccurring dream then they could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives along with Hugo himself.

But also you have to take what a 5 year old says about certain situations with a BIG grain of salt, because they have yet to have enough life experiences to make adult decisions, and amicia is mostly in the same boat, she had never encountered anything of this caliber before "innocence", but her brain and knowledge is matured enough to learn quickly that there isn't always the option of fleeing a fight, but also that fighting isn't always the answer (hence the stealth sections of the games), but once cornered and faced with either death or continuing to live and potentially save your brothers life, she obviously chooses to fight.

and she very clearly does not take pleasure in that act as you so fervently suggest, she actively says on multiple occasions that she is "tired of running, and tired of people hurting us", it's not that she is taking pleasure in it, she's just simply reached the point to where she feels like there is no other option because nearly every adult they come into contact with wants to harm Hugo or amicia or both.

[++Windtaker++]

It’s a traumatized girl that was probably also sexually abused by the farmer son at the start of the game.. She can only kill to defend her brother and herself.. Violence is the only really working language she really knows.

[robilar5500]

The OP is really describing almost every video game lol.