A Plague Tale: Requiem

A Plague Tale: Requiem

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Rocket May 2, 2023 @ 2:26pm
Dear devs, re: Ending, not for me
Since I cannot review;
I was watching my friend playing this and I was planning on buying it. Then I saw the ending.

I recognise that this is your artistic vision and I respect that. I'm just saying, it's not for me and I don't plan to buy this now. There is a possibility that you were planning on having different endings, and if that is the case, I encourage you to do that and I will be your customer. At the moment though, our world is too bleak and I don't want that also in the games I buy.
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icantsee May 3, 2023 @ 6:51pm 
Dont be a wuss
Rocket May 3, 2023 @ 7:08pm 
Originally posted by icantsee:
Dont be a wuss
So killing children is a sign of bravery in your book? roger.
Hope May 3, 2023 @ 7:35pm 
Originally posted by Twubba:
Since I cannot review;
I was watching my friend playing this and I was planning on buying it. Then I saw the ending.

I recognise that this is your artistic vision and I respect that. I'm just saying, it's not for me and I don't plan to buy this now. There is a possibility that you were planning on having different endings, and if that is the case, I encourage you to do that and I will be your customer. At the moment though, our world is too bleak and I don't want that also in the games I buy.
Having different endings is not suitable for Plague Tale. Because while playing the game, there is no such thing as being able to choose and direct the story, so it's better if the game has only one ending. Also, if the game had multiple endings, the story certainly wouldn't be as impressive and memorable.
Rocket May 3, 2023 @ 8:22pm 
Originally posted by Mr.Hope:
Originally posted by Twubba:
Since I cannot review;
I was watching my friend playing this and I was planning on buying it. Then I saw the ending.

I recognise that this is your artistic vision and I respect that. I'm just saying, it's not for me and I don't plan to buy this now. There is a possibility that you were planning on having different endings, and if that is the case, I encourage you to do that and I will be your customer. At the moment though, our world is too bleak and I don't want that also in the games I buy.
Having different endings is not suitable for Plague Tale. Because while playing the game, there is no such thing as being able to choose and direct the story, so it's better if the game has only one ending. Also, if the game had multiple endings, the story certainly wouldn't be as impressive and memorable.
I can respect that. I just think it's a shame how it ended, as I personally don't believe in giving up and I find it to be the antithesis of everything up to that point. If they don't add any alternate ending then It'll just be a game that I don't purchase and that's fine for me.
MancSoulja May 4, 2023 @ 8:04am 
Originally posted by Twubba:
Originally posted by Mr.Hope:
Having different endings is not suitable for Plague Tale. Because while playing the game, there is no such thing as being able to choose and direct the story, so it's better if the game has only one ending. Also, if the game had multiple endings, the story certainly wouldn't be as impressive and memorable.
I can respect that. I just think it's a shame how it ended, as I personally don't believe in giving up and I find it to be the antithesis of everything up to that point. If they don't add any alternate ending then It'll just be a game that I don't purchase and that's fine for me.

Funnily enough, Today I decided that I didn't want to buy a ferrari because of some arbitrary reason, do you think I should drive to my local showroom and announce my decision to their customers as you have announced yours to Asobo's?
Rocket May 4, 2023 @ 10:29am 
Originally posted by MancSoulja:
Originally posted by Twubba:
I can respect that. I just think it's a shame how it ended, as I personally don't believe in giving up and I find it to be the antithesis of everything up to that point. If they don't add any alternate ending then It'll just be a game that I don't purchase and that's fine for me.

Funnily enough, Today I decided that I didn't want to buy a ferrari because of some arbitrary reason, do you think I should drive to my local showroom and announce my decision to their customers as you have announced yours to Asobo's?
I'm sure their marketing department would appreciate that.

btw, it's not arbitrary. if you don't like the ferrari because it has a tendency to murder children then I'd say it's an important bit of feedback.
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MancSoulja May 4, 2023 @ 10:46am 
Originally posted by Twubba:
Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Funnily enough, Today I decided that I didn't want to buy a ferrari because of some arbitrary reason, do you think I should drive to my local showroom and announce my decision to their customers as you have announced yours to Asobo's?
I'm sure their marketing department would appreciate that.

btw, it's not arbitrary. if you don't like the ferrari because it has a tendency to murder children then I'd say it's an important bit of feedback.

You realise you're talking about a child who directly or indirectly killed hundreds of thousands of people, maybe even millions.

What would you suggest was done with him?

Bear in mind, if the Macula would have been allowed to consume Hugo, he would have died regardless, except, this way he would have taken the rest of France with him.
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Rocket May 4, 2023 @ 11:25am 
Originally posted by MancSoulja:
You realise you're talking about a child who directly or indirectly killed hundreds of thousands of people, maybe even millions.

What would you suggest was done with him?
Cure him.
it's really not that hard. Writers have the power of god within their own story. They can make anything happen as long as it is logically consistent.

They put in a lot of clues to ways they could have resolved it. At one point, it seemed they were suggesting that the reason the Macula was developing through Hugo was because of the suffering that Basilius went through. They could have resolved that. The ending they chose, was not the only option and it was not unavoidable. they tell you it was unavoidable because they chose to write it that way. because they wanted to force you to kill an innocent child.
Inquisitor May 4, 2023 @ 11:56am 
ending not for you. WHO CARES ?
Rocket May 4, 2023 @ 12:02pm 
Originally posted by Inquisitor:
ending not for you. WHO CARES ?
The devs do, which is why I addressed it to them. You didn't have to read and you didn't have to comment. grow up.
Hope May 4, 2023 @ 12:07pm 
You may not like the ending of the game, but it won't do you any good to mention it here. Because this game is not suitable for more than one ending, and since the developers are aware of this, there will never be more than one ending in this game and the next Plague Tale game. Also, according to the story, this was a pretty good ending, otherwise it would have been pretty ridiculous.
Rocket May 4, 2023 @ 12:51pm 
Originally posted by Mr.Hope:
You may not like the ending of the game, but it won't do you any good to mention it here. Because this game is not suitable for more than one ending, and since the developers are aware of this, there will never be more than one ending in this game and the next Plague Tale game. Also, according to the story, this was a pretty good ending, otherwise it would have been pretty ridiculous.
people like to give feedback to the creators. it's normal human behaviour.
kristijan.123 May 4, 2023 @ 3:07pm 
"...This ending is not for me..." - Verry well, you have made your choice, and you have stated your opinion, I respect that.

However, what you suggest cannot be done for this game plot-wise, take into account the events of the first game as well.

So lets adress the "cure" part, in short there is no "cure" at all.
There was (SANGUINIS ITINERA book), however the elixir wasn't a permanent cure, it just slow down the Macula, sooner or later that elixir would become obsolete as Tresholds happen, and that's why they had to go to Marseille, to seek more help, find someone who is better at alchemy and can treat Hugo. (enter The Order).
Hugo's dream on the other hand is nothing more than a bait, the Macula produced that in Hugo's mind, so that He goes to that island and see what happened to his predecesor, as that would be enough to destroy Hugo's mind, and allow the Macula to take over.
The part about "living in peace" is doable, for a little while at least, but what happens if someone, say hurts Hugo, and it doesn't even have to be physicall, I am not refering to someone hiting him or something (although, that is also possible), I am refering to simply someone saying something bad to him, something that would cause him to get angry, or sad.

From the game we can tell for certain, the tresholds, are dirrectlly tied to his emotions, and everytime He has Macula "attack" so to speak, He is under some kind of bad emotion (anger, fear, sadness etc.)
Considering this, the only way it can work is if they completelly isolate Hugo from the world, but that is literally imprisoning him, and as a resoult might cause the very thing they were trying to prevent (bad emotions), which in turn lead to Macula reawakening, and aventually a treshold.

That happened at the beginning of the secound game., They did try to live in peace, but at certain point something bad will happen, and there we go again, bad emotions for Hugo, and everything that comes with them.
Than they trusted The Order to help Hugo, but all they did is experiment on him...
And so we get to the point where Amicia take matters in her own hands and takes Hugo to a seeminglly magical island that will help, not realising that is in fact a trap.

There they learn, (and we as players as well), about Basilius, and bassically what happened to him.
At this point it's safe to say, that there is no way Hugo can be saved, not even by living in peace, for the reason I mentioned above, at some point something will happen and trigger a treshold, just like in the beginning.
But living in peace might be a start, however, what happens next disrupts Hugo's mind so much, that He can never trully recover, and than, it's not only one bad thing, but several, in a verry short time period, all aventually leading to a treshold, which Hugo could not controll on his own, (the first Tresholds, he passed, because Amicia was there helping him in a way), this is where the Macula takes over.

Now when Hugo demolishes Marseille, it's not him anymore, mentally at that point, He is gone, He would use the last power he has to tell Amicia what to do and say goodbye.
At this point He is just a host for the Macula, and just as it happened in Bassilius' case, once the Macula is done with sending all rats to swarm the world in a never-ending plague, it would kill it's host, so Hugo will be dead anyway, along with everyone else.


In short there can be no other ending, or happy ending so to speak, the story is a tragedy, and by definition, tragedies don't end with "happily ever after"
Rocket May 4, 2023 @ 3:34pm 
Originally posted by kristijan.123:
In short there can be no other ending, or happy ending so to speak, the story is a tragedy, and by definition, tragedies don't end with "happily ever after"
I understand and respect your point of view, but I disagree.
Amicia is not stupid. If she thought that death would stop the macula, then she would have either wondered why either Basilius was still producing rats in death, or she would have tried to kill Basilius.
The way I see it, there is too much up in the air for this to be quite so cut and dry. It's down to the audience to make their decision on how to interpret the story, as there are many many elements. I do not believe it made sense for Amicia to give up after so much struggle, and I don't believe Lucas would make any similar decision.
The way this comes across to me is the developers saying "remember all the stuff you've been through and struggled with, forget it all, it doesn't matter, just give up."
It also sends the message that we should just kill any baby who is born with the Macula. It absolutely doesn't sit right with me at all. I can accept if Amicia has sacrificed herself to save Hugo or the other way around, but for her to actually kill her beloved brother, it's not something I can accept as acceptable.

I can respect if people choose to be okay with this, but that's what makes the world so interesting, we are all different.
kristijan.123 May 4, 2023 @ 4:42pm 
Originally posted by Twubba:
Originally posted by kristijan.123:
In short there can be no other ending, or happy ending so to speak, the story is a tragedy, and by definition, tragedies don't end with "happily ever after"
I understand and respect your point of view, but I disagree.
Amicia is not stupid. If she thought that death would stop the macula, then she would have either wondered why either Basilius was still producing rats in death, or she would have tried to kill Basilius.
I never said that Amicia was stupid, and no she didn't belive death is the answer, she doesn't accept the fact that Hugo is lost untill the very end, where she sees that, the only way to stop the Macula is to kill its host, or she doesn't, but Lucas does.
I think here you confused Basilius and Hugo, I would asume you ment Hugo was producing rats. Now Hugo doesn't summon rats in the end, as I said that is the Macula doing it, Hugo has no controll anymore. As for her trying to kill him, well, she holds onto that slim hope that Hugo can be saved, untill very end.

Originally posted by Twubba:
The way I see it, there is too much up in the air for this to be quite so cut and dry. It's down to the audience to make their decision on how to interpret the story, as there are many many elements. I do not believe it made sense for Amicia to give up after so much struggle, and I don't believe Lucas would make any similar decision.
Yes, I agree, there is a lot of story elements hanging, but I guess they left it that way so a 3rd titlle can be made, and connected with the rest of it, that being said, maybe the ending was entirelly in Amicia's mind (the Macula created an illusion of Hugo's death to separete him from Amicia) - that theory might be a perfect plot twist, for averyone hoping for a happy ending in the 3rd game.

I don't think either Lucas or Amicia gave up, as you said, they just ran out of options, and had to end it before they all die, along with Hugo.

Originally posted by Twubba:
The way this comes across to me is the developers saying "remember all the stuff you've been through and struggled with, forget it all, it doesn't matter, just give up."
It also sends the message that we should just kill any baby who is born with the Macula. It absolutely doesn't sit right with me at all. I can accept if Amicia has sacrificed herself to save Hugo or the other way around, but for her to actually kill her beloved brother, it's not something I can accept as acceptable.

I can respect if people choose to be okay with this, but that's what makes the world so interesting, we are all different.

Actually I would disagree with that last part, Amicia or Lucas don't give up, not even at the end, but Amicia did see what happened to Basilius prviouslly, and she knows the consequence of allowing the Macula to survive (The Justinian Plague), there is no other way to stop the Macula after Hugo past that treshold, and Hugo would die anyway once the Macula is done with him, so in order to save the world, in a sense, as Hugo explained to her: in his words bassically: "I don't want to destroy those I love...", she decides that the best course of action is to end the Macula and thus stop the next justinian plague, and the only way to do that, is to kill Hugo, who is again at this point beyond saving. Also, Amicia in a way helped Hugo, His life was afterall, hell.

What message the game sends is quite the contrary of what you said, it's not to give up, or to kill every child with a deasese (in this case The Macula), it's to keep fighting for hope, and accept the inevetable scenario of death, and learning to live with that.
The point of the story is therefore acceptance, and finding peace for yourself as much as the rest of the world.

I understand the fact "she had to do it" is not acceptable for you, but that very fact makes the story great as it is, it's not a good way, but it's a forced tragedy that had to happen.
I personally when I finished the game, also disliked the ending for what it made me feel, and that it was kinda giving up, but later, as I rolled back and revisited the story, I realised, there was really no other way, not when you looked back and think on every event that lead to this grim ending.
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Date Posted: May 2, 2023 @ 2:26pm
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