Game ending theory ( MAJOR SPOILER ALERT!!!)

[kristijan.123]

Ok, this is what I come up with, 3 days after finishing the game and spending that time in grief over Hugo.
Bassically I desected the game's ending and events prior to it and try to find whatever information I could that would support the idea of Hugo actually surviving the whole thing.

Now I don't know whether or not my analysis of game ending makes much sense in terms of overall plot, the canon version of the story or the game itself, however should this theory be the true one, that would mean that Hugo might still be alive.

Most of this analysis comes from facts that are mentioned in game as well as facts that would indicate a possibillity from scientific point of view.
This is the theory I wanted to share here and hear your opinions about it.
Also this is just speculation, I do not know if this has any truth to it, it's just my opinion after thinking about it.

With that out of the way one more time:
!!!!!!!BIG GIANT SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!
I am going to describe critical events in the last 2 chapters in game trying to reconstruct the things that by my opinion might be happening, therefore from this point on, there will be spoilers, if you haven't finished this game STOP READING RIGHT NOW, finish the game and than come back here.

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So the critical event known as last treshold starts after Hugo is being taken by Count Victor and is brought to Marseille to by his words "change the world"
We don't know exactlly what happens there, presumably, Victor escapes Marseille before hugo awekens, otherwise He would likely be the first to be sacrificed for this "New World" dream He has.
After hugo awekens the last thing he remembers is his sister getting shot by an arrow, thinking that she is dead, the last treshold is triggered and Hugo is lost, He no longer controls the rats or himself, and instead now he is but an instrument for the Macula, So he proceeds to level the city of Marseille.

At the same time Amicia and Arnoud fight the Count and his army, and after the fight Amicia, Lucas and Sofia proceed to now ruined city of Marseille.

Now nothing crittical happens before they enter the Nebula, except Sofia can't accompany them.
So Amicia and Lucas procced alone.
This is where my theory begins to unfold.
Before they enter the nebula Lucas said:
"This is the last Treshold, All natural laws stop here"

- now we don't know exactlly what the nebula is (the game doesn't tell much), all we know is that it's a cloud of gas that can put down fires (we see that in earlier chapter), so perhaps its a cloud of gas with a little to no amount of oxygen thus it cannot sustain the fire, while the gas or mixture of gases is non-flamable by itself.
I would say Nitrogen probablly, but again I don't know, now if it is nitrogen it's colorless, yet nebula is shown as grey to green color, but that maybe becouse the developers had to make it visible in some way, you can't smell it over your screen afterall., or it may be a mixture of gases, but I would stick with nitrogen for simplicity.

now nitrogen by itself is harmless, the problem is it can displace oxygen and that is what we see the first time when we discover the nebula, it slowly put down the fire, presumably because there is not enough oxygen left to sustain it, and also when Amicia enters the nebula she starts suffocating, she also says that her head is spinning, that would indicate the low supply of oxygen in the area.

now exposure to a low supply of oxygen for an extended period of time may lead to hallucinations, and that is what I think Lucas said earlier "all natural laws stop here", bassically he said that due to low ammount of oxygen we may start seeing things that shouldn't be there, in other word hallucinations.
- I don't know of any force that can defy natural laws, and since this is medieval times people didn't know much about natural laws (physics and chemistry that is), so the simptoms of hallucinations caused by exposure to a gas cloud called nebula might be interpreted as "all natural laws stop there"
That being said, that gas cloud might have enough oxygen to keep people alive, and concious, but not enough to keep them at normall state (before hallucinations from low oxygen happens) for long, or sustain the fire for long.

As Amicia continues her search for Hugo she comes to a square with phoenix statue in it's centre, the phoenix statues are located on La Cuna so that means they aren't there (in Marseille), even if they are, who would put a bunch of bird statues around a city? (that look exactlly the same as the ones on La Cuna), Anyway moving forward, Hugo now talks to Amicia telling her that the birds are a lie, and she need to find a different way, also it's just Hugo's voice at this point He is not anywhere arround.

After a while Amicia gets into what appears as a sandstorm and is seeminglly teleported to a new location with now a bunch of skulls in front of her and rats converging from them.
As the rats assamble in area dirrectlly ahead they start forming human-shaped figures.
- now rats can form basic shapes when they swarm an area, in the first game we saw them moving like a tornado and this time we saw them moving as a tsunamy, but both of these formations aren't "complex" it just require masive numbers of rats to form. But here they form a complex shape, I am not saying it's impossible just unlikelly to be real.

As far as reality goes after a while Amicia is overwhelmed and is teleported back to the birds area, and than you have to go all over again, find a way through that area get teleported back to the skulls and estinguish the flame which would than teleport Amicia to a third area where she sees Hugo.

- All this teleporting arround might indicate that the whole thing is an illusion and those skulls, I doubt they actually exist there for real.

Moving forward, Amicia and Hugo walk together through the third area, where they come accross some people they met throughout the game, and in Hugo's proximity they all die.

- These people again aren't there, these are the people they have met on other locations, and you actually see those locations, so yet another illusion.


after they pass the area with people they go through ther door and than Hugo disappears.
- Well we have seen him run away before very fast too, but not that fast, indicating that He as well was an illusion.

Than Lucas gets to Amicia and together they approach Hugo who is now hanging on that tree thing from where all the rats are emerging.
Another weird thing: The rats between Amicia / Lucas and Hugo are moving away from Amicia and Lucas, allowing them to approach Hugo, We know that past the last treshold Hugo no longer controlls them, and i don't see much sense in that Macula would allow a difinitive threat to get closer to it's host, because this doesn't make much sense I would say that both Amicia and lucas are still affected by the symptoms caused by the nebula.

So moving on finnaly to the ending.
Should Amicia use her sling to presumably kill Hugo, and when she does, do we actually see Hugo die? No, instead we see a black sreen and the credits,
Should Lucas kill Hugo, again we don't get to see that, all we see here is Amicia screaming at him as he takes the shot.
- maybe for the better that we didn't see all that, the ending would be way desturbing in such scenario.
- considering that we didn't actually see Hugo's death, the Devs open this endings to interpretetion and as such I decided to analyse them to find the truth.

If we now move on to final chapter in either case Amicia says bassically that Lucas isn't comming back, now he might be a witness to all this and his confirmation might break this theory, but sadlly, he isn't there.
in the end Amicia visits her brother's grave, so I guess she in fact belives that he died, perhaps the illusion was so real that she belived the whole think, well we haven't see what happened to Hugo's body afterwards, that also confirms my suspicions.
And of course (the necklace), if it's all an illusion, how did she get his necklace, as again that part wasn't cleared, for all we know, Hugo might have lost it somewhere, and on her way out of this, Amicia finds the necklace and takes it as a memory, to then one year latter let go of it and set it in presumed grave.

She also said in the end she is going to look for signs of Macula in order to find out where the next carier and protector will rise.
- What I think is that she may find Macula activity at some point, and that would lead her to Hugo, who would be alive and well (as much as he can be), but that would then be fully explained in the next game perhaps.

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So this is my theory on how the game actually ends, it's is my analisys of the ending.
I have spent some time thinking this through and doing research, ofcourse writting this took some time, but I felt the need to share my findings.

Please coment down what you think, If I missed something, feel free to correct or put your opinions, I would adjust this accordinglly, if something is wrong.

Anyway thank you for reading this.

[frontovika]

Interesting and plausible theory. Certainly one I would like to believe!!

Even though the developers were being rather vague with the weird events inside the nebula, I'm pretty sure they have implied Hugo is dead.

[★ FmNey ★]

King Hugo is dead, long live the king (they name the chapter this way to imply that he is dead). Lucas said all natural laws stop here, so there should be no oxygen or nitro theory about the nebula, it's just a name for the appearance and is out of this world matter. Logical explanations cannot fathom the story, the characters said it themselves.

Beatrice: You're thinking too much... sometimes it's better just to trust your feelings...
Lucas: I'm trying, but I... I get stuck in the logic of it.
Beatrice: Subtances obey natural laws. The Macula does too. You don't need logic, Lucas... you just need to be human.
Lucas: Maybe... I'm just not very good at being human.
Beatrice: You are, this is why you have doubts.

[kristijan.123]

Originally posted by FmNey:

King Hugo is dead, long live the king (they name the chapter this way to imply that he is dead). Lucas said all natural laws stop here, so there should be no oxygen or nitro theory about the nebula, it's just a name for the appearance and is out of this world matter. Logical explanations cannot fathom the story, the characters said it themselves.

Beatrice: You're thinking too much... sometimes it's better just to trust your feelings...
Lucas: I'm trying, but I... I get stuck in the logic of it.
Beatrice: Subtances obey natural laws. The Macula does too. You don't need logic, Lucas... you just need to be human.
Lucas: Maybe... I'm just not very good at being human.
Beatrice: You are, this is why you have doubts.

the chapter name is just "King Hugo" - doesn't say much about it, and it doesn't prove anything.

As for the nebula, it's still made of something, which means it has consistance, and judging by apperance and the way it behaves with surrounding objects, it most likelly can be described as a gas cloud (as the game doesn't tell you much about it, you are left to only speculate what it could be), my guess was nitrogen but it could letterally be any non-flamable gas that displaces oxygen arround it (thus making fires go out, and cause symptoms seen when Amicia enters it)

Beatrice: Subtances obey natural laws. The Macula does too. - there, everything has to obey the laws of nature, no substance can break it, not even the unknown entity that is Macula and nebula being a gas cloud and in a way connected to Macula and rats (which also have to obey natural laws- but they forming human-shaped figures is definettly breaking those laws and as such it makes no sense in reality. with everything said, Nebula is therefore a substance, so it to has to obey the natural laws.

[_C@nG@C@_]

Hugo is most probably dead. BUT at the same time I believe he's alive in another way. his memory is 'imprinted' on the macula. remember that Hugo could kinda feel Basilius's presence and/or his emotions as they got closer to where his body was?

I dont know if this is true, but to me it feels like all carriers have a deep connection, something similar to what happens in Attack on Titan where all titans are connected and they can see the past and future through memories.

Originally posted by Kristjan.123:

Another weird thing: The rats between Amicia / Lucas and Hugo are moving away from Amicia and Lucas, allowing them to approach Hugo, We know that past the last treshold Hugo no longer controlls them, and i don't see much sense in that Macula would allow a difinitive threat to get closer to it's host, because this doesn't make much sense I would say that both Amicia and lucas are still affected by the symptoms caused by the nebula.

Hugo said to Amicia that he made a mistake but they still had one last chance. he was not entirely 'a monster' yet but he would be if he killed all he loved ( his friends and especially his sister - he could see them through the rats ) so the rats retreating in the end as you walk to him were Hugo using the very last flames of his humanity to allow them to end the macula.

Originally posted by Kristjan.123:

If we now move on to final chapter in either case Amicia says bassically that Lucas isn't comming back, now he might be a witness to all this and his confirmation might break this theory, but sadlly, he isn't there.

Not only he is a witness but she also is. later she tells Sophia: "- He wont come.. it's.. I can still see him.. do it.."
If this was also part of the hallucination obviously the rats would not stop because Lucas wouldn't have actually killed Hugo. and they wouldn't have escaped from that place alive.

[kristijan.123]

Originally posted by _C@nG@C@_:

Hugo is most probably dead. BUT at the same time I believe he's alive in another way. his memory is 'imprinted' on the macula. remember that Hugo could kinda feel Basilius's presence and/or his emotions as they got closer to where his body was?

I dont know if this is true, but to me it feels like all carriers have a deep connection, something similar to what happens in Attack on Titan where all titans are connected and they can see the past and future through memories.

Originally posted by Kristjan.123:

Another weird thing: The rats between Amicia / Lucas and Hugo are moving away from Amicia and Lucas, allowing them to approach Hugo, We know that past the last treshold Hugo no longer controlls them, and i don't see much sense in that Macula would allow a difinitive threat to get closer to it's host, because this doesn't make much sense I would say that both Amicia and lucas are still affected by the symptoms caused by the nebula.

Hugo said to Amicia that he made a mistake but they still had one last chance. he was not entirely 'a monster' yet but he would be if he killed all he loved ( his friends and especially his sister - he could see them through the rats ) so the rats retreating in the end as you walk to him were Hugo using the very last flames of his humanity to allow them to end the macula.

Originally posted by Kristjan.123:

If we now move on to final chapter in either case Amicia says bassically that Lucas isn't comming back, now he might be a witness to all this and his confirmation might break this theory, but sadlly, he isn't there.

Not only he is a witness but she also is. later she tells Sophia: "- He wont come.. it's.. I can still see him.. do it.."
If this was also part of the hallucination obviously the rats would not stop because Lucas wouldn't have actually killed Hugo. and they wouldn't have escaped from that place alive.

Assuming Hugo still has some controll after the last treshold (unlikelly though, as after the last treshold the Macula would take controll of Hugo entirelly), he might be able to move the rats away, yes, however we also don't see exactlly how they escape (left for interpretation I guess), so in case that Hugo dies for real and He controlled the rats to retreat, what is stopping the rats now from just storming Lucas and Amicia? - how I see it the very fact they escaped is because something or someone allowed it, again We don't know exactlly what happens to the swarms of rats after Hugo's death, do they just dissappear?, go into the ground? Or perhaps they just continue roaming arround, albeit in a less organised way, in that case they would still hunt, making escape very difficult, not impossible though, but there are no sourcess of light nearby where Lucas and Amicia are, so again after Hugo's death, nothing stops them from just storming the place up and killing them in the process because they had no light nearby to push rats away. if they just went back from where they came from, according to this dialogue from earier chapter, that would be unlikelly:
Amicia: "This will soon be over, Hugo."
Hugo: "The rats won't want that... They are happy right now."
...

So the fact they escaped would be a possible indication as well.

Amicia is a witness to what she belives happened, when I said Lucas is a witness I meant that he would confirm the event and that would break the theory because it's highly unlikelly that two people would see the exact same hallucination at the same time.
Again she belives Hugo was killed but we don't see that, not clearly and therefore are left with only her words about the event, to either belive or analyse or discard them as truth.

[_C@nG@C@_]

Originally posted by Kristijan.123:

so in case that Hugo dies for real and He controlled the rats to retreat, what is stopping the rats now from just storming Lucas and Amicia?

Without the carrier there's no macula. it's what makes the rats highly deadly and unstoppable. without that they become ordinary animals. also all that nebula/cloud around them dispersed over time since the threshold ended scaring them away to more confined places.

Again there's NO way they could've escaped that situation if Hugo was still firing the last threshold at all directions. and one year later the world not be pretty as we saw in the post credits.. would be a complete and ugly hell and everybody would be dead..

[_C@nG@C@_]

Originally posted by Escapist:

They don't show Hugo dead because they probably don't want to show a kid being killed for ratings sake. People can come up with their own personal canon all they like. I just think in this case it's wishful thinking.

The same thing with the Season finale os Telltale's TWD. they dont show Lee being shot by Clementine. but we all know what happened, and we dont really need to see that either..

[kristijan.123]

Originally posted by Escapist:

Originally posted by kristijan.123:

Assuming Hugo still has some controll after the last treshold (unlikelly though, as after the last treshold the Macula would take controll of Hugo entirelly), he might be able to move the rats away, yes, however we also don't see exactlly how they escape (left for interpretation I guess), so in case that Hugo dies for real and He controlled the rats to retreat, what is stopping the rats now from just storming Lucas and Amicia? - how I see it the very fact they escaped is because something or someone allowed it, again We don't know exactlly what happens to the swarms of rats after Hugo's death, do they just dissappear?, go into the ground? Or perhaps they just continue roaming arround, albeit in a less organised way, in that case they would still hunt, making escape very difficult, not impossible though, but there are no sourcess of light nearby where Lucas and Amicia are, so again after Hugo's death, nothing stops them from just storming the place up and killing them in the process because they had no light nearby to push rats away. if they just went back from where they came from, according to this dialogue from earier chapter, that would be unlikelly:
Amicia: "This will soon be over, Hugo."
Hugo: "The rats won't want that... They are happy right now."
...

So the fact they escaped would be a possible indication as well.

Amicia is a witness to what she belives happened, when I said Lucas is a witness I meant that he would confirm the event and that would break the theory because it's highly unlikelly that two people would see the exact same hallucination at the same time.
Again she belives Hugo was killed but we don't see that, not clearly and therefore are left with only her words about the event, to either belive or analyse or discard them as truth.

They don't show Hugo dead because they probably don't want to show a kid being killed for ratings sake. People can come up with their own personal canon all they like. I just think in this case it's wishful thinking.

That is exactlly what I said before, it would be just too disturbing to show everything, and I agree. But they opened the ending to interpretation and, well although I do understand the ending they made, and why they made it, part of me hopes that Hugo might still be alive, and that part of me compelled me to investigate, and make my theory about it.

Originally posted by _C@nG@C@_:

Originally posted by Kristijan.123:

so in case that Hugo dies for real and He controlled the rats to retreat, what is stopping the rats now from just storming Lucas and Amicia?

Without the carrier there's no macula. it's what makes the rats highly deadly and unstoppable. without that they become ordinary animals. also all that nebula/cloud around them dispersed over time since the threshold ended scaring them away to more confined places.

Again there's NO way they could've escaped that situation if Hugo was still firing the last threshold at all directions. and one year later the world not be pretty as we saw in the post credits.. would be a complete and ugly hell and everybody would be dead..

that I agree with, speccifically since after the last treshold Hugo doesn't controll things anymore, it's the macula now, a year after the event we would see a complate armageddon scenario, if macula persisted, that makes sence.

well a conclusion. I think the devs made an awesome job out of the ending, and the game and story as a whole. and for the better that the points I mentioned are left right now for interpretation, as they have bassicaly left the door open to advance the story however they want, if they want to continue, they can easilly fill the blanks with simillar theory I guess and continue the story, if they want to end it, the game's ending could serve as the canon ending, they could also take another turn entirelly, and it would all work I think. It remains to be seen though.

[_C@nG@C@_]

Originally posted by Kristijan.123:

..as they have bassicaly left the door open to advance the story however they want, if they want to continue, they can easilly fill the blanks with simillar theory I guess and continue the story.

Well there's that very last post scene were we see a baby ( next carrier ) in a more modern age. so they definitely want to continue the story further.

So yeah let's hope this game is successful enough to make it possible for them to make the next one. - fingers crossed -

[Renei23]

Originally posted by kristijan.123:

Ok, this is what I come up with, 3 days after finishing the game and spending that time in grief over Hugo.
Bassically I desected the game's ending and events prior to it and try to find whatever information I could that would support the idea of Hugo actually surviving the whole thing.

Now I don't know whether or not my analysis of game ending makes much sense in terms of overall plot, the canon version of the story or the game itself, however should this theory be the true one, that would mean that Hugo might still be alive.

Most of this analysis comes from facts that are mentioned in game as well as facts that would indicate a possibillity from scientific point of view.
This is the theory I wanted to share here and hear your opinions about it.
Also this is just speculation, I do not know if this has any truth to it, it's just my opinion after thinking about it.

With that out of the way one more time:
!!!!!!!BIG GIANT SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!
I am going to describe critical events in the last 2 chapters in game trying to reconstruct the things that by my opinion might be happening, therefore from this point on, there will be spoilers, if you haven't finished this game STOP READING RIGHT NOW, finish the game and than come back here.

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So the critical event known as last treshold starts after Hugo is being taken by Count Victor and is brought to Marseille to by his words "change the world"
We don't know exactlly what happens there, presumably, Victor escapes Marseille before hugo awekens, otherwise He would likely be the first to be sacrificed for this "New World" dream He has.
After hugo awekens the last thing he remembers is his sister getting shot by an arrow, thinking that she is dead, the last treshold is triggered and Hugo is lost, He no longer controls the rats or himself, and instead now he is but an instrument for the Macula, So he proceeds to level the city of Marseille.

At the same time Amicia and Arnoud fight the Count and his army, and after the fight Amicia, Lucas and Sofia proceed to now ruined city of Marseille.

Now nothing crittical happens before they enter the Nebula, except Sofia can't accompany them.
So Amicia and Lucas procced alone.
This is where my theory begins to unfold.
Before they enter the nebula Lucas said:
"This is the last Treshold, All natural laws stop here"

- now we don't know exactlly what the nebula is (the game doesn't tell much), all we know is that it's a cloud of gas that can put down fires (we see that in earlier chapter), so perhaps its a cloud of gas with a little to no amount of oxygen thus it cannot sustain the fire, while the gas or mixture of gases is non-flamable by itself.
I would say Nitrogen probablly, but again I don't know, now if it is nitrogen it's colorless, yet nebula is shown as grey to green color, but that maybe becouse the developers had to make it visible in some way, you can't smell it over your screen afterall., or it may be a mixture of gases, but I would stick with nitrogen for simplicity.

now nitrogen by itself is harmless, the problem is it can displace oxygen and that is what we see the first time when we discover the nebula, it slowly put down the fire, presumably because there is not enough oxygen left to sustain it, and also when Amicia enters the nebula she starts suffocating, she also says that her head is spinning, that would indicate the low supply of oxygen in the area.

now exposure to a low supply of oxygen for an extended period of time may lead to hallucinations, and that is what I think Lucas said earlier "all natural laws stop here", bassically he said that due to low ammount of oxygen we may start seeing things that shouldn't be there, in other word hallucinations.
- I don't know of any force that can defy natural laws, and since this is medieval times people didn't know much about natural laws (physics and chemistry that is), so the simptoms of hallucinations caused by exposure to a gas cloud called nebula might be interpreted as "all natural laws stop there"
That being said, that gas cloud might have enough oxygen to keep people alive, and concious, but not enough to keep them at normall state (before hallucinations from low oxygen happens) for long, or sustain the fire for long.

As Amicia continues her search for Hugo she comes to a square with phoenix statue in it's centre, the phoenix statues are located on La Cuna so that means they aren't there (in Marseille), even if they are, who would put a bunch of bird statues around a city? (that look exactlly the same as the ones on La Cuna), Anyway moving forward, Hugo now talks to Amicia telling her that the birds are a lie, and she need to find a different way, also it's just Hugo's voice at this point He is not anywhere arround.

After a while Amicia gets into what appears as a sandstorm and is seeminglly teleported to a new location with now a bunch of skulls in front of her and rats converging from them.
As the rats assamble in area dirrectlly ahead they start forming human-shaped figures.
- now rats can form basic shapes when they swarm an area, in the first game we saw them moving like a tornado and this time we saw them moving as a tsunamy, but both of these formations aren't "complex" it just require masive numbers of rats to form. But here they form a complex shape, I am not saying it's impossible just unlikelly to be real.

As far as reality goes after a while Amicia is overwhelmed and is teleported back to the birds area, and than you have to go all over again, find a way through that area get teleported back to the skulls and estinguish the flame which would than teleport Amicia to a third area where she sees Hugo.

- All this teleporting arround might indicate that the whole thing is an illusion and those skulls, I doubt they actually exist there for real.

Moving forward, Amicia and Hugo walk together through the third area, where they come accross some people they met throughout the game, and in Hugo's proximity they all die.

- These people again aren't there, these are the people they have met on other locations, and you actually see those locations, so yet another illusion.


after they pass the area with people they go through ther door and than Hugo disappears.
- Well we have seen him run away before very fast too, but not that fast, indicating that He as well was an illusion.

Than Lucas gets to Amicia and together they approach Hugo who is now hanging on that tree thing from where all the rats are emerging.
Another weird thing: The rats between Amicia / Lucas and Hugo are moving away from Amicia and Lucas, allowing them to approach Hugo, We know that past the last treshold Hugo no longer controlls them, and i don't see much sense in that Macula would allow a difinitive threat to get closer to it's host, because this doesn't make much sense I would say that both Amicia and lucas are still affected by the symptoms caused by the nebula.

So moving on finnaly to the ending.
Should Amicia use her sling to presumably kill Hugo, and when she does, do we actually see Hugo die? No, instead we see a black sreen and the credits,
Should Lucas kill Hugo, again we don't get to see that, all we see here is Amicia screaming at him as he takes the shot.
- maybe for the better that we didn't see all that, the ending would be way desturbing in such scenario.
- considering that we didn't actually see Hugo's death, the Devs open this endings to interpretetion and as such I decided to analyse them to find the truth.

If we now move on to final chapter in either case Amicia says bassically that Lucas isn't comming back, now he might be a witness to all this and his confirmation might break this theory, but sadlly, he isn't there.
in the end Amicia visits her brother's grave, so I guess she in fact belives that he died, perhaps the illusion was so real that she belived the whole think, well we haven't see what happened to Hugo's body afterwards, that also confirms my suspicions.
And of course (the necklace), if it's all an illusion, how did she get his necklace, as again that part wasn't cleared, for all we know, Hugo might have lost it somewhere, and on her way out of this, Amicia finds the necklace and takes it as a memory, to then one year latter let go of it and set it in presumed grave.

She also said in the end she is going to look for signs of Macula in order to find out where the next carier and protector will rise.
- What I think is that she may find Macula activity at some point, and that would lead her to Hugo, who would be alive and well (as much as he can be), but that would then be fully explained in the next game perhaps.

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So this is my theory on how the game actually ends, it's is my analisys of the ending.
I have spent some time thinking this through and doing research, ofcourse writting this took some time, but I felt the need to share my findings.

Please coment down what you think, If I missed something, feel free to correct or put your opinions, I would adjust this accordinglly, if something is wrong.

Anyway thank you for reading this.

This is a nice theory ! But unfortunately It might be just a question of censure x) It's like nudity and other things, the death of a child can be censured.

[kristijan.123]

Originally posted by Roubii2309:

This is a nice theory ! But unfortunately It might be just a question of censure x) It's like nudity and other things, the death of a child can be censured.

Yes it can and should be I think, so I agree.

That explains the last part when I describe the Hugo's death, it still however doesn't explain other weird scenes we see in the nebula, and that is the core of my theory.

[Shinllers]

This franchise appears to have a tradition of narration through illusions or hallucinations and it's always difficult to analyse them.

Based on the same logic as Penance(chapter 13) from Innocence, I think everything is hallucination since Amicia jumps down, until she meets Lucas again, only at that time we can again see the same waves of rats Hugo sends stretching out.

The official synopsis of the last chapter goes like this, it only appears if you reload from main menu:

Legacy of De Rune Family

Amicia and Lucas managed to reach Hugo, who gave himself the the Macula and was on the brink of destroying everything. Hugo used the last spark of humanity within himself to convince his sister and Lucas to kill him before it's too late. Despite the pain, Amicia and Lucas have to take the tragic decision to end Hugo's suffering and save the world he loved.

Of course nothing about Hugo's passing is directly mentioned, but there's hardly space for a turnaround and I intend to prevent things from going too complicated. The Order's quarter at Marseille is where they originally intend to go to, that partially explains the phoenix and the huge skulls wearing cloaks(probably dead order members), which Hugo probably just smashes to kingdom come.

Theoretically the only way to bring Hugo back is to fight the Macula and prevail, and I think what Hugo shows Amicia is exactly what fighting the Macula will be like, after the carrier gives in, it simply can't be won. In other words, Hugo has proved that once the carrier gives in to the Macula, it can't be reverted. He isn't really asking Amicia to give up or surrender, it's just his decision to die, only this time he isn't asking for Amicia's agreement.

So I believe that they saved each other, probably just run out of time once more like Lucas once said in Innocence, or maybe Asobo just surrenders to Amicia, yet puts her down once more in order to create an end that makes Hugo look high and tall.

I spent days researching both Innocence and Requiem until I think I fully understand Amicia and Hugo's new level of bond in Requiem, and I believe the only way out of this without losing Hugo, is that Amicia must be alive and well in the first place, then they fight the Macula together and the rest depends on Hugo.

Problem is, the Macula won't leave this world alone, and this world won't leave the carrier alone, that puts Hugo at risk, and then Amicia, then this world itself, just like how Requiem starts. So they must live elusively, pretty much the same like Amicia anticipates, only that Amicia's answer may not be the final answer. What lies beyond what's supposed to be the last threshold is unknown to everyone, even the Order, if not the carrier's death and the world's end, because no one ever makes it that far. I think that may be a loose end they intend to leave to the next Plague Tale game, and sadly Amicia and Hugo don't get the chance to try it out.

And about the final scene, I see many understand that as a more modern age, because you can hear machines spinning and someone with heels walking. But the writing sounds more like a quill pen rather than an ink one, so I think it can also be understood as Amicia walks in, leaves the things she has prepared for the next carrier and protector, along with a message, and then leaves. So she made it and found them, I'm not sure about anything though, since I'm not sure either if there were other carriers between Bassilius and Hugo, so I don't know if it must take centuries for the next carrier to appear.

[Aure]

your spoiler warning is kind of pointless if you spoil the ending of the game in your first sentence.
Hugo is most definatly dead. He gave himself up completly to the macula and the whole illusion thing's purpose was to force amicia to finally see things hugos way, since he has been trying to convince her for a long time now that his phoenix dream was a hoax and that there is no other solution than for him to die but she kept brushing it off. She was the only thing that kept him from giving up entirly and after giving in she should be the one to set him free.

Hugo and the macula are one now, there is no way of splitting them anymore and as far as we know, there is only 1 carrier and 1 protector active at the same time. if a new carrier was born, that means the old one is dead. not only that, but that the curse is still ongoing.

If amicias approach was correct, then why did hugos state get worse in innocent before the whole family killing happened? Amicias mother was already mixing potions for him to stop it from getting worse while hugo was save and sound at home. he lived an isolated life while the macula/plague still made its way to them. they had an entire nest under their house already. Think back, in innocent the macula already had its homebase right below their house before ♥♥♥♥ hit the fan. living peacefully might slow the inevitable down, it didnt prevent it or regress it.. even in the f'ing prologe of innocent, you find a dead boar and your dog gets killed by the rats that are sort of sleeping right next to their house biting villagers at night.

[Bankai9212]

^Ive highlighted this factor in many other threads, but this along with other stuff ignored from innocence highlights how inconsistent and bad the writing is. How did this game get best narrative and game of the year selection again?

[kristijan.123]

Originally posted by Shinllers:

This franchise appears to have a tradition of narration through illusions or hallucinations and it's always difficult to analyse them.

Based on the same logic as Penance(chapter 13) from Innocence, I think everything is hallucination since Amicia jumps down, until she meets Lucas again, only at that time we can again see the same waves of rats Hugo sends stretching out.

The official synopsis of the last chapter goes like this, it only appears if you reload from main menu:

Legacy of De Rune Family

Amicia and Lucas managed to reach Hugo, who gave himself the the Macula and was on the brink of destroying everything. Hugo used the last spark of humanity within himself to convince his sister and Lucas to kill him before it's too late. Despite the pain, Amicia and Lucas have to take the tragic decision to end Hugo's suffering and save the world he loved.

Of course nothing about Hugo's passing is directly mentioned, but there's hardly space for a turnaround and I intend to prevent things from going too complicated. The Order's quarter at Marseille is where they originally intend to go to, that partially explains the phoenix and the huge skulls wearing cloaks(probably dead order members), which Hugo probably just smashes to kingdom come.

Theoretically the only way to bring Hugo back is to fight the Macula and prevail, and I think what Hugo shows Amicia is exactly what fighting the Macula will be like, after the carrier gives in, it simply can't be won. In other words, Hugo has proved that once the carrier gives in to the Macula, it can't be reverted. He isn't really asking Amicia to give up or surrender, it's just his decision to die, only this time he isn't asking for Amicia's agreement.

So I believe that they saved each other, probably just run out of time once more like Lucas once said in Innocence, or maybe Asobo just surrenders to Amicia, yet puts her down once more in order to create an end that makes Hugo look high and tall.

I spent days researching both Innocence and Requiem until I think I fully understand Amicia and Hugo's new level of bond in Requiem, and I believe the only way out of this without losing Hugo, is that Amicia must be alive and well in the first place, then they fight the Macula together and the rest depends on Hugo.

Problem is, the Macula won't leave this world alone, and this world won't leave the carrier alone, that puts Hugo at risk, and then Amicia, then this world itself, just like how Requiem starts. So they must live elusively, pretty much the same like Amicia anticipates, only that Amicia's answer may not be the final answer. What lies beyond what's supposed to be the last threshold is unknown to everyone, even the Order, if not the carrier's death and the world's end, because no one ever makes it that far. I think that may be a loose end they intend to leave to the next Plague Tale game, and sadly Amicia and Hugo don't get the chance to try it out.

And about the final scene, I see many understand that as a more modern age, because you can hear machines spinning and someone with heels walking. But the writing sounds more like a quill pen rather than an ink one, so I think it can also be understood as Amicia walks in, leaves the things she has prepared for the next carrier and protector, along with a message, and then leaves. So she made it and found them, I'm not sure about anything though, since I'm not sure either if there were other carriers between Bassilius and Hugo, so I don't know if it must take centuries for the next carrier to appear.

I didn't see actually The official synopsis for the last chapter, as I played both chapters at once, didn't load the last one from the menu afterwards, so I missed that one. The synopsis actually confirms everything discussed in here through comments though.

the birds are symbols of the cult though, thats why they are located on the island. the Cult, as far as we know is not in Marsaille, so the bird statues there seem unlikelly, also if the order built them, but really why would they...?, Idk
The skulls on the other hand, what I say is that it's unlikelly they exist, for real, so they are an illusion of sort.

The next carrier should appear roughlly 800 yrs after Hugo's death, if only carrier before Hugo was Bassilius, and if the Macula behaves that way, to strike every fix ammount of years, so a new carrier in a modern time is very possible, but Amicia wouldn't be alive to bring things for a new carrier dirrectlly, as you suggest.

there are many loose ends that could support either theory, but yours is quite a great counter-theory, I would agree to that as well