【08+33】lvadd sxxks..

[Uncanny Doge]

yeah i know lvadd bit too strong before but..
now he is totally useless in desolation.
i'd rather use a ScavengersWarlord as they got same equip slots

lost most traits.
always injured and low states(even worse than human units)
almost the worst class in the 08+33...

i just think..he was nerfed too much.

[Mad Sheep Studios]

Okay, we can discuss and balance him out, thanks for your feedback!

David

[Uncanny Doge]

i used him last run, also joined in map 1.
i rembember his basic VIT was 94.
with [strong body] obsorbed and [siphon life] equiped and [chompion] he's almost 7000 hp.
of course, injured.
i'd like to say it's not a high-level amount.
in desolation i had to give him [necro skin] and [meat shield] or he just die easily.
(revanant knight and reaper only need [necro skin])

now he still injured but only got 17 VIT at the same level (alomost).
means he can't tank, can't DPS, can't do anything.

by the way,

everytime i start a new game it's really hard to reset game before i got the right [StrongVS].
before i got level 3 in desolation it usually over 1 hour (reset before the quest i want appeared at start).
and to get a certain [StrongVS] i had to repeat this for lots of times.

will u make it more certainly?
at least the starting 3 units.

and

any traits to against the acid? lol

[Dalwin]

There should be no certainty in the strong vs traits. Some people are willing to restart repeatedly to get what they want. This is very similar to save scumming in other games. I see no reason to encourage such practices.

[Uncanny Doge]

it's needed in desolation.
well of course u're right.
without any StrongVs we can also beat the highest diff.
but it's really not a good idea u know.
without certain StrongVs, the deso diff will cost u a huge amount of time to retry in the later game.

[Kittenpaw]

The Strong vs were just rebalanced and updated. All of them are pretty equally strong and balanced now I think.

[CheekiBreeker]

I second this. Right now Ivadd is pretty balanced, apart from the stupid self harm. I can understand it is a soft nerf to make his boss version not overpowered. But now he is practically a scav warlord with different mutations, so why keep the nerf?

[Uncanny Doge]

i think at least lvadd should get his [projectiles blocker] or [shatterproof] back.
due to his self injred the basic VIT should be over 50.
depend whcih position u want him to be.

yes the [StrongVS] is now much more useful than past.
but some units do have their best choices.
of course it's still possilble to get certain [StrongVs], just takes more times.

[Mad Sheep Studios]

Okay, makes sense, he might be a bit nerfed too much. I've added back some of his lost traits.

[Uncanny Doge]

amos dosen't appear.
my urtuk(forsaken sniper) has killed 260 enemies and seen the first notice.
but when i got [chompian] amos not appear in map.

[Uncanny Doge]

transforming into a lessvampire can't gain [leeching double strike] now?

[Nenok]

Originally posted by Mad Sheep Studios:

Okay, makes sense, he might be a bit nerfed too much. I've added back some of his lost traits.

Please do not put it back again. Do not make the same mistake as before the patch. It doesn't help anyone if you reset all the time. Leave it for a while, please.

[Uncanny Doge]

not put him back.
just let lvadd not totally useless.

[Kittenpaw]

The Ivadd battle costs you 132 Life Essence to unlock and the only reward is 60ish Alcohol and crappy Ivadd who you cannot even butcher.

I never want Ivadd so I wish the rewards for his battle were improved. Something like: Pick Ivadd and get the Alcohol too or kill Ivadd and get a Lifestone and a Legendary Item.

I currently skip extracting the skin pieces due to the life essence cost penalty and poor reward.

[Mad Sheep Studios]

Don't worry, the 'iteration' of Ivadd takes small steps, neccessary to make him good and fun and balanced.

David

[Uncanny Doge]

thanks.

now i got several other thinking.


1
now the amos is too..strong i think.

2
the [reflex skin] is still too powerful.
with [blood curse 2] and [reflex skin] u can just throw your meele unit into enemies.
then they all die.

3
ranged utuk got a perfect build with [Delirium] [Masochist] [Rage!] [Lyncher].
of course, [blood strength] focus with [Improvizer].
it's too effective that other builds can't breathe at all lol.