(spoilers) question about twins

[Corpsesnare Vholkuss]

Are they real or not,if not why Father martin wastes all that time searching for them,if they are why gary says LMORTO THEY BE NOT REAAAL WARDO

[Kingjaffad]

They're an illusion, they were devised by Gary to lure John in, preying on his desire for redemption by saving the boys, where as he couldn't save Amy.

[etherealquantumcrystal]

The twins are NOT real.
In the "A New Vessel" ending in Chapter 3, there is a letter adressed to Bob (Amy's father) about how Cindy (Amy's mother) has terrible delusions and is looking for "replacements" for the spirits of the twins to inhabit. In reality, Cindy had a miscarriage and lost the twins. The birthday parties and stuff were all fake.

[Corpsesnare Vholkuss]

Tbh I feel stupid I forgot posting this,I searched the wiki afterwards and learned that Cindy is coocoo.

Still thank you for the answers

[danmaku]

There's a note in chapter 2 (note 7, an obituary) that says that the parents who died are survived by the twins so it's a little misleading. It's true that chapter 2 is a dream but usually all third party information is taken as fact (newspaper clippings, diary entries and the like)

[Marceloid]

I agree with all the posts above, I also believe that the twins were made up by the Cult/Gary to exploit John's guilt-driven complex, as indicated by the note about the miscarriage.

Here is how I interpreted the 'bad' ending of Chapter 3: (Chapter 3 Spoilers!)

In the 'bad' ending of Chapter 3, you can see John fall to his knees as he succumbs to the three things (a trinity? ;o) that haunted him with guilt:

- Amy, who John could not save during that one faithful night.

- Michael, who John presumably had to shoot / abandon later that day (did Garcia become upset?)

- The statue of the made-up twins causes him to collapse; The cult constantly manipulated and finally broke John, causing him to lose his faith and cowardly run from his past mistakes instead of facing them - paving the way for the Profane Sabbath and a vessel for the UNSPEAKABLE.

[Dungeon Brain]

If we take third party info as fact, then does that mean that John really isnt a priest? I assumed those were cult plants to make him doubt himself and his memories

[Ghin]

I don't think we can really trust, well, anything that happens in the game? I mean, there are literal demons in the game that can manipulate what other people see and hear. John isn't exactly a reliable narrator in that context.

[emjeeman]

So does that mean that the note written by Mrs Martin about her friend warning her that an unfamiliar man (presumed Gary) approached the twins at the birthday party is written by Gary? Or by Mrs Martin in one of her delusional states?

Whoever works on the wiki should probably correct the information about that. We find out the twins do not really exist. That brings the note in Ch 1 (I think it was in ch1) into question; but the wiki describes that note as if it was actual fact. As if Gary did actually attend the delusional birthday party.