What a lazy remaster!

[toughnails]

We added AI upscaled backgrounds + widescreen support, this will be $30 + tip, make sure to pre-order, tee-hee.

I mean, even the Secret remake had a lot more effort put into it. This one doesn't have any new assets whatsoever, they just upscaled the backgrounds with waifu2x, kept the same old pixelated sprites and increased the render window to 16:9.

Not to mention the terrible regional pricing.

[Stormy Dawn]

I love how one of the arguments against this game is bringing up Secret of Mana.

"Secret of Mana at least tried..." And yet everyone lambasted Secret of Mana for apparently being garbage compared to the original, but it's okay because "they tried".

Besides we don't know much yet. Who knows what other minor changes might have been done to the base game. Perhaps none, but perhaps there will be, too.

I don't know I just get super defensive as an old-time Seiken Densetsu fan. I was heart broken by the World of Mana titles being so terrible and basically destroying the franchise. Then suddenly Square Enix bothered to re-release, port and remake some of the titles. Yet every step of the way there has been a vocal group of people complaining all the way over such trivial things.

[Elvick]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

I love how one of the arguments against this game is bringing up Secret of Mana.

"Secret of Mana at least tried..." And yet everyone lambasted Secret of Mana for apparently being garbage compared to the original, but it's okay because "they tried".

Besides we don't know much yet. Who knows what other minor changes might have been done to the base game. Perhaps none, but perhaps there will be, too.

I don't know I just get super defensive as an old-time Seiken Densetsu fan. I was heart broken by the World of Mana titles being so terrible and basically destroying the franchise. Then suddenly Square Enix bothered to re-release, port and remake some of the titles. Yet every step of the way there has been a vocal group of people complaining all the way over such trivial things.

It is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Some people want new visuals, others are fine with the old. You will never please everyone.

Personally I prefer them leaving games intact and re-releasing them with as few changes from the original as possible. If you want to remake it later, then do it but at least leave the original up so people can choose.

[Vincent]

I'm not even sure if the backgrounds were upscaled since they were originally from artworks but they still lightly low rez compared to nowaday standards even if they still fine.

However they have no excuse for pixelated characters and NPC sprites which don't match to the actual backgrounds. They should have hired some 2D artists to redo or to improve them a little, If they follow Shinichi Sameoka original art style. It's like everything is remastered except this.

I love LoM and I love the fact that they remain faithful to the original 2D work but the work feel incomplete for a remaster and we can't title it as perfect.

Please never bring back Secret of Mana Remake again, It's trash tier for an argument and I'll won't argue about it again.

[Me0wish]

It's about the terrible pricing, 30$ for an AI upscaled game is too much.

Just don't buy it.

[Schutzengel]

If the alternative of buying the console it originally ran on plus the original game is cheaper, feel free to pick that route instead. If not, just dont buy this game. Noone is forced to do so.

[phosTR]

Agree.

[ShaDoW]

Originally posted by toughnails:

I mean, even the Secret remake had a lot more effort put into it. T

You mean to tell me that you would rather they butcher the game's graphics and art style with that 3d mobile crap?

Yes the price is way too much outside the US but I'll wait for a sale and gladly buy this in hopes they bring FFT WotL next.

[cyxceven]

Originally posted by Vincent:

However they have no excuse for pixelated characters and NPC sprites which don't match to the actual backgrounds. They should have hired some 2D artists to redo or to improve them a little, If they follow Shinichi Sameoka original art style. It's like everything is remastered except this.

I prefer they leave sprites alone. I dislike how Square's FFVI remake turned out.

[Vincent]

Shinichi Sameoka made some good 2D HD animations so it is possible but I'm more worried if another animator sink the ship.

[Polraudio]

Go modify your PS1 version and show us all how to do that so we don't have to pay for this one.

[LKjgyu7tyh]

Square Enix demonstrably makes the laziest ports/remasters in the entire industry. Unfortunately we live in a world where things like the following exist

Spyro Reignited trilogy (3 full games)
Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy (3 full games)
Command & Conquer Remastered Collection (2 full games, 3 expansion packs)
Crash Team Racing Nitro Fueled
MediEvil Remaster
Age of Empires: Definitive Edition
Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition
Age of Empires III: Definitive Edition
Wasteland Remastered
A myriad of Lucas Arts adventure remasters
Destroy All Humans!
Homeworld Remastered Collection (2 full games)
Halo: The Master Chief Collection (6 full games)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater (2 full games)

These are just a few examples. All of these remasters/remakes/reimaginings or whatever you desire to call them are innumerable lightyears ahead in terms of effort and quality.

They may include (among other things): entirely rerecorded soundtracks and voice acting with input from the original performers and composers, entirely redrawn graphics and reconstructed models, lots of bonus content, fan involvement, multiple games per release, the inclusion of the original release, hotswapable graphics between modern and classic, completely re-coded game engines in some cases. I mean it's beyond a joke when you compare Square Enix's ports to almost anything else out there.

As long as reviewers and Youtubers keep waxing poetically about these releases through the lens of their memories without critiquing the actual product
we will keep getting these bargain-basement overpriced ports farmed out to the lowest bidding development team. They simply do not care about the games.

[toughnails]

Found some examples of the upscaled art. Looks very low effort.

https://i.imgur.com/YCmpTPN.jpg

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by toughnails:

Found some examples of the upscaled art. Looks very low effort.

https://i.imgur.com/YCmpTPN.jpg

I don't know. Looks pretty good to me.

The water could use a bit more of a touch up, but other than that it seems pretty good.

I mean... what more exactly do you want? I feel like the only way to "improve" from there wouldn't stay true to the art style at that point. Like, if you have to start redrawing assets from scratch then it kinda defeats the purpose, you know? Part of Legend of Mana's charm is the art style, after all.

[Liv]

Its on pc dude. I would pay the original price to get it. F the haters.

[toughnails]

Originally posted by Liv:

Its on pc dude. I would pay the original price to get it. F the haters.

Never heard of emulators? You can buy the original PSX disc right now, put it in your PC and play the game via ePSXe or another PlayStation emulator.