Can't get past the Vargas Fight, it's Bugged.

[Bridaver]

When you get to the point in the Vargas Fight where Sabin shows up and fights Vargas solo do to Blizzard Fist sending Edgar, Locke & Terra off the battle field, you are supposed to use Sabin's Raging Fist Blitz, well I use it and nothing happens, the fight continues as it if your at the first stage of the fight with Edgar, Locke & Terra.

Why is it that FF6 is without fail, the buggiest of the Final Fantasies that I have ever played, it's so frustrating!

[Bridaver]

I got past the fight.
I don't know why this worked, after Vargas says something like,
"what's wrong Sabin, why are you holding back?"
I used Aura Cannon, it happened to be my first turn with Sabin, after attacking Vargas with Aura Cannon, Sabin then gave his tutorial on how to use Raging Fist.
On my next turn I was able to use Raging Fist to end the fight.

The biggest reason that this battle was such a challenge for me is because I'm doing a low level challenge as to get really good stat increases via Espers.

Vargas can almost one shot Sabin with his Gale Cut, it takes 100-113ish HP off of Sabin per hit and Sabin only has 132 HP so...Be prepared to reload your quick save over and over again till Sabin decides to explain how his Blitz work so you can end the fight.

[Yanchel]

In the actual game on snes you are not supposed to use Blitz right away until Sabin told you to do it

[Bridaver]

The problem with what's going on here is that when I played the SNES version back in the day, when I was a young lad, as soon as Sabin's turn came up you could just use Pummel
( that's what it was called on the SNES ) to end the fight, you didn't NEED to see the tutorial on it. The same thing was true for PS, GBA & The old deleted/discontinued APP version.

The problem with this version of FF6 is that in my case, I HAD to use Aura Cannon on my first turn with Sabin to get him to activate his tutorial on how to use Raging Fist, only after this happens can the fight end after using Sabin's Raging Fist.

I tried that fight at least 10-15 times doing all sorts of different actions trying to get Sabin to make it so the fight could end before Vargas defeated Sabin or before his death counter reached 0, the only thing that worked for me was using Aura Cannon on Sabin's first turn, which activated the tutorial allowing me to end the fight with Raging Fist.

It's weird but it's the truth and if you don't believe me, try the fight again on the SNES, PS or GBA version, use Pummel/Raging Fist on Sabin's First Turn ( and the fight will end immediately after that ) and then try this out on this version of the game you'll see and maybe understand what I'm talking about.

[Sephiroth]

i had this happen too this isnt a one off bug. i swear it happened on gba for me.

[Bridaver]

I'm not saying it's not possible for this to be true, personally I've thankfully never encountered an issue with the Vargas fight on any other version of FF6.

In all the other versions of FF6 ( I've played them all by the way )
Sabin only gives you the tutorial on how to use his Blitz if your not using
Pummel/Raging Fists after a set amount of time/turns pass.

In this version of FF6 I had to use a certain action at a certain time
( That being Aura Cannon in my case ) like I said in my second post.

In some of my failed battles, I used Aura Cannon on my second and third turn with Sabin and no Tutorial happened. I also tried so many other things like just attacking or just defending and so on, nothing else worked for me other then Aura Cannon on my FIRST turn.

Thankfully there is a way out of this battle, it's annoying and very specific but it's there.

I hope this BUG get's fixed.

[landmine36]

"I can't sequence break fix this bug now!"

Not really a bug.
You're supposed to fight normally until sabin gives the tutorial.
The games doesn't have to or need to cater to speed runners, glitchers, or low level players.

[Bridaver]

Your negativity is Unnecessary, landmine36.

It's not sequence breaking it's just part of how the original game was.
That tutorial is there for those who don't know/understand how to use Sabin's Blitz it has never been a requirement to see it.
I've played all versions of this game and in all versions of this game, if you know how to use Pummel/Raging Fists you will end the fight with Vargas immediately after using it on him, on your first turn with Sabin.

If you don't believe it's true, then go and play FF6 on the SNES, PS or GBA versions and use Pummel/Raging Fists on Sabin's first turn and you will find out that the fight will end immediately after that.

[Melodia]

It's the same as the "M-M-M-Magic" cutscene, the PR FORCES it on you at the end of the battle with the magitechs if you don't cast magic before that. In other versions you can simply not cast magic until after you enter South Figaro and never see it.

[Bridaver]

This is true for the SNES, PS and GBA and The Discontinued APP Version, it was never forced and it could be skipped just like the Vargas Fight's Blitz Tutorial.

The only Version so far that forces these is the Pixel Remaster.
Which is why posted this as a Bug in the first place, seeing as all other versions of FF6 didn't have this Vargas Fight Problem.

With the Vargas fight, it can be quite problematic if the game doesn't active the tutorial, if so, you'll have to kill Vargas before your doom counter reaches 0 which I don't know that this would even be possible unless you were at an extremely high level which is unlikely.

Thankfully I found a way to finish the fight which I stated in my second post, I don't know if it's the only way or if the way I found is consistent but I'm done with that fight and I'll hopefully not have to worry about anything else like this ever again.

[何]

yeah its just the event scripting for the fight is set up wrong. instead of having everything nested after "if pummel = true return endfight" they have that after an event trigger.
probably an easy fix just people are lazy.

[landmine36]

You say that as if quite possibly, it wasn't somehow bugged in all previous versions.

This version has also made quite a few changes that were deliberate that sets it out from the previous versions as well, which again doesn't make them bugs.

Odin giving 2 speed
Palador giving 1 speed
Unlike the SNES version, but like every other version, Gau can't use Merit Award
As of yet, Master Scroll doesn't proc magical effects like Wind Slash
You can walk out further into the water during the fish catching portion
You can walk diagonally

and so on and so on, based on your criteria of "this wasn't a thing before" would mean all of these and more are "Bugs"

As for the event, maybe it is, maybe it is't, but atleast it's more proper, you the player, should have NO IDEA, how to do a blitz until the game relays that information to you, and doing it before it does, IS a sequence break.

And as previously mentioned, the MMMMmagic event, is also now forced on you, regardless of if you can do the fight without it.
which leans it a little more to the side of, not being able to blitz before the tutorial pops, is intended.

[Bridaver]

Originally posted by Kupoe:

yeah its just the event scripting for the fight is set up wrong. instead of having everything nested after "if pummel = true return endfight" they have that after an event trigger.
probably an easy fix just people are lazy.

Exactly, it's just not set up like it was on the SNES, PS, GBA and the
Discontinued APP Version.

Thank you for your informative insight, Kupoe.

[landmine36]

It needs to be stated that this version of the fight is the bug fixed version.

In 1.0 when using a blitz on Vargas before the tutorial happened the tutorial would play twice consecutively and not die, and then on the next use of the blitz Vargas would die.

As it stands this version was Fixed, tested, and pushed as a bug fix to a previous version.

And in both versions using the Blitz before the tutorial did not kill Vargas, so it's even less likely it's an oversight.

If you're still unhappy with that more detailed answer I just don't know what to tell you, unless they change the fight again as it stands it should not be considered a bug and is working as intended since square doesn't communicate plans or fixes ahead of release.

[Enkidu]

Been on the PSN version that was recently released and I've been hardlocked here since the stupid tutorial never pops. I've tried spamming Pummel, Aurabolts, Attacks, etc and I'm dying to Doom each and every time since the fight won't end.

IKs this just RNG at this point? Not sure how they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up this fight so bad that's early game.

[Bridaver]

Originally posted by Enkidu:

Been on the PSN version that was recently released and I've been hardlocked here since the stupid tutorial never pops. I've tried spamming Pummel, Aurabolts, Attacks, etc and I'm dying to Doom each and every time since the fight won't end.

IKs this just RNG at this point? Not sure how they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up this fight so bad that's early game.

Yeah, I know the struggle, you can get past the fight, you just have to be persistent, patient and try different ways of triggering the tutorial.
I tried my best to describe how I got the tutorial to trigger, if you read my second comment it might help you get past Vargas.