Cyan's Bushido seems weak, bug?

[Auro]

Cyan's bushido is based on STR (to my knowledge); as I am at endgame (level 50 with plenty of STR increases from leveling with Bismark), he's doing some pretty weak dmg compared to his normal attack. Anyone else notice this? Anyone else notice anything similar?

[landmine36]

Bushido seemed fine, but it depends on which you use

1 is 120 power Def ignore
2 is counter attack
3 is fractional HP damage (blocked by death res)
4 is 72 power 4x phys hit
5 is magical HP MP drains (can't do more than is missing)
6 is 97 power magical attack all + stop
7 is 70 power 4x phys hit, Def Ignore
8 is Cleave all enemies cancel counter attacks (blocked by def res)


so if you're going for damage, 7 is the only one you should be using at lvl50

all of them except 6 are affected by being in the back row

Gigas glove relic gives more bonus damage than Hyper Wrist.

[Asouva]

I was going to try using Cyan in this game since I never usually use him, but due to the perceived weakness of his abilities, I had to sideline him. landmine36's detailed descriptions may make me give him a try again, but aside from giving him the Genji Gloves with Sky Render and Scimitar or Wind Tempest knife thingy (I don't know what they're called in this one), I think I'm gonna be skipping over him. Again.

[Auro]

Originally posted by landmine36:

Bushido seemed fine, but it depends on which you use

1 is 120 power Def ignore
2 is counter attack
3 is fractional HP damage (blocked by death res)
4 is 72 power 4x phys hit
5 is magical HP MP drains (can't do more than is missing)
6 is 97 power magical attack all + stop
7 is 70 power 4x phys hit, Def Ignore
8 is Cleave all enemies cancel counter attacks (blocked by def res)


so if you're going for damage, 7 is the only one you should be using at lvl50

all of them except 6 are affected by being in the back row

Gigas glove relic gives more bonus damage than Hyper Wrist.

Ya i realized that once I started using Tempest more frequently. It seems to be the only one that works best end game. Thanks for the breakdown.

[HexGramarye]

Originally posted by Asouva:

I was going to try using Cyan in this game since I never usually use him, but due to the perceived weakness of his abilities, I had to sideline him. landmine36's detailed descriptions may make me give him a try again, but aside from giving him the Genji Gloves with Sky Render and Scimitar or Wind Tempest knife thingy (I don't know what they're called in this one), I think I'm gonna be skipping over him. Again.

Don't give up yet! I think Cyan can be a lot of fun to use. I really like the strategy HCBailly uses for Cyan in his let's play. It takes advantage of Cyan's slow speed well:

Party:

Cyan, equipped with Hero's Ring and Miracle Shoes (for auto-haste)
Celes, equipped with Safety Bit, Minerva Bustier, Thunder Shield, Mystery Veil, Soul of Thamasa
Gau, equipped with Miracle Shoes and Earring
Edgar/Mog, with Relics for Double Jump

Gau will use Rage on auto-pilot. We all know he's good, but considering he'll just physically attack 50% of the time, he can be slow.
Edgar/Mog will either jump or Dance. Double jump is slow, but it does a ton of damage and keeps them out of harm's way.
Celes will tank, using Runic and being on standby to cast a spell or heal. She resists Holy, Water, Ice, Earth, Thunder, and Instant Death, has good Magic Defense and Magic Evade and is near-impervious to magic so she'll always be alive to heal/revive an ally.
All this will give Cyan plenty of time to use whatever Bushido is needed for the situation, and in this version, probably take the lead in damage.

[Ghin]

The game's pretty easy man. Realistically you can use whatever party you like. If you like Cyan he's perfectly capable of smashing through everything.

[Isalon]

Not to revive a thread but Cyan is god-tier and nobody can tell me otherwise.
I just cant figure out if he's better with hero ring, gigas glove, or hyper wrist >_> (Hermes shoes on him, I value haste more IMO)

[Puzzlemint]

Some Bushido skills are magic-based, so Hero Ring (which is literally a Gigas Glove stapled to an Earring) is the best. Hyper Wrist doesn't even come close.

[Vambran]

Originally posted by Auro:

Cyan's bushido is based on STR (to my knowledge); as I am at endgame (level 50 with plenty of STR increases from leveling with Bismark), he's doing some pretty weak dmg compared to his normal attack. Anyone else notice this? Anyone else notice anything similar?

Keep the STR gains going up to 128. At some point you will see him do 9999 with his lvl 1 fast attack vs any mob in the game. As a bonus this attack will never miss.

[Mopey bloke]

Cyan has always been infamous for sucking in this game. As a party member that is. They didn't fix this as they didn't rebalance the game much. With most other party members having access to broken damage and defence set ups, Cyan isn't that worthwhile.

[Valvatorez(Cox Cable = awful ISP]

What Cyan does, Loki or Edger do better with Ultima Weapon + Offering + Genji Glove + any preferred WOR acquired game breaking weapon.
You could use Terra or Celes but their both best for Enhancer + Celestriad and the Soul of Thamasa for Ultima spam.

[landmine36]

Cyan is in his best state he's ever been, his main flaw was that he had to charge a gague that brought your team to a halt while waiting for him, this is no longer the case, by default making him infinitely better than before, Cyan also has ignore Def, the moment you get him, at that point only Sabin has that kind of ability, and even after only Edgar gets it until Ultima weapon, which is frankly useless until you're late game, leaving just the Valiant Knife for locke in WoR.

Cyan also gains access to a 4 hit random attack, letting him deal more damage than any other character until quite late in the game, unless you rush "Ra" magic on Terra/Celes/Relm.

his only competition for damage output in WoB, is Gau, and Edgar with drill/chainsaw.

and there's only 1 Master Scroll in the game, so his WoR damage becomes uncontested aside from whoever is using it.

[eslatt]

Cyan is only weak against enemies that have high Physical Defense (and when he's not using his 1st Bushido, which ignores physical defense). He's pretty strong throughout, but falls off in WoR until he gets his strongest weapon and completed his side quest to get all of his bushido skills. In WoB, Gau & Strago (with some work to get good rages and lores) or Edgar, are king of damage. WoR, depends on spells people know and level, but at lower levels with work can be Gau, with a lot of spells and levels, anyone really. He requires lots of work to be physically strong though.

Magic is the center of the story in FF6 and only makes sense it would be much stronger overall than Physical moves. Cyan is mostly a physical attacker, so he's sort of at a disadvantage.

[eratis]

I am finding Cyan much more worthwhile in this version. Previously, it was actively detrimental to have to wait for the charge, but now I just pick an attack and it executes relatively quickly. That said, the lack of a hit all bushido until level 34 (or, more likely, clearing his WoR sidequest) really hurts his WoB performance. As it stands, he definitely earns a space in the parties for the final dungeon, which is a big step up from previous versions.