Is the Dark Matter just gone?

[StrikerTheHedgefox]

You used to be able to use Edge to steal Dark Matter from Zeromus' first form. I've had Edge attempting to steal for 30 minutes now, and I'm getting nothing. Is something broken/missing?

[Haseohack4228]

Originally posted by StrikerTheHedgefox:

You used to be able to use Edge to steal Dark Matter from Zeromus' first form. I've had Edge attempting to steal for 30 minutes now, and I'm getting nothing. Is something broken/missing?

never knew that was a thing? whats the point of stealing an item directly before the final boss?

[ChaosBahamut]

iirc, the Dark Matter was always a very rare steal in FFIV's 2D versions.

And the only real point to stealing it is bragging rights, really. (has a purpose in the 3D version; unlocks a superboss in NG+)

[Machiepoo]

Dark Matter is still in the steal table, but your success rate is based on Edge's level relative to Zeromus. Since Zeromus has a level of 96, he'll need to be leveled very high.

[EKACNAIB]

as of now, there's no point in stealing Dark Matter from Zeromus final form. I stole 2 Dark Matters from him but nothing seems important at the moment. Unlike in 3D version, you can fight Proto-Babil using it. I hope there's an update where you can use it to fight an Optional Boss.

[Falcus]

Originally posted by Heretic:

Is using Steal ever really a useful thing in these games though? I get the role play concept and the completionism, but from a strategy stand point, what benefit is it to give up an attack turn to try(often with little success) to grab an item(often a common one you can buy in a shop).

I just say cause in FF6 atleast locke had a relic that allowed you to attack while stealing making it somewhat useful.

The only FF game I ever found it useful in was FF9 since you could get some good equipment from it, which you wouldn't otherwise get until later in the game.
That's the only game I can recall really benefiting from it though and it was only from bosses.

[StrikerTheHedgefox]

Originally posted by x2pr.gaming:

as of now, there's no point in stealing Dark Matter from Zeromus final form. I stole 2 Dark Matters from him but nothing seems important at the moment. Unlike in 3D version, you can fight Proto-Babil using it. I hope there's an update where you can use it to fight an Optional Boss.

I hope they add something too. The fact they have completion saves after the credits, gives me hope they may introduce additional post-game content at some point.

[bberg]

Originally posted by Heretic:

Is using Steal ever really a useful thing in these games though?

There are some games where you can steal useful items that can't be obtained easily, or at all, by other means. In this game in particular, you can steal Sirens, which are used it one particular room in the final dungeon to summon Flan Princesses to farm the Pink Tail. This is the only real use that I know of.

There's some pretty good stuff you can steal in Final Fantasy V and Vi, if you're planning on buying those when they come out. Shouldn't be hard to find a list on the web.

[bberg]

Originally posted by AnimuBoobaru:

And since the PR version will most likely allow you to save after the credits roll, you'll be able to steal as many as you want.

Note that the post-credits save currently saves the state you were in just before engaging the final boss. I haven't tried stealing from Zeromus, but in the III and IV Pixel Remasters, I still have the items I threw at the final bosses on my post-game saves. If the save doesn't account for the items you used in the final battle, it also might not account for any items you gained.

[Cernel Joson]

The primary purpose of stealing in FF4 was taking advantage of a bug that let you bypass the game's check on equipment permission. The result was you could equip a Mythril Shield to Rydia and Rosa.

[JayCub3]

Originally posted by bberg:

Originally posted by AnimuBoobaru:

And since the PR version will most likely allow you to save after the credits roll, you'll be able to steal as many as you want.

Note that the post-credits save currently saves the state you were in just before engaging the final boss. I haven't tried stealing from Zeromus, but in the III and IV Pixel Remasters, I still have the items I threw at the final bosses on my post-game saves. If the save doesn't account for the items you used in the final battle, it also might not account for any items you gained.

I managed to steal the Dark Matter in this new version.
However, it doesn't appear to save in the inventory after defeating the boss.
I checked both the the regular item inventory and the Key Items and the Dark Matter isn't there.
I was unable to steal it in Zeromus's first form, but did manage to steal it in the second form. I am not sure whether it would have made a difference.

[Lunar Nocturne]

Originally posted by Heretic:

Is using Steal ever really a useful thing in these games though? I get the role play concept and the completionism, but from a strategy stand point, what benefit is it to give up an attack turn to try(often with little success) to grab an item(often a common one you can buy in a shop).

I just say cause in FF6 atleast locke had a relic that allowed you to attack while stealing making it somewhat useful.

In one of the games, possibly 9 or 7 (it's been a while), there was a monster that would repeatedly heal itself unless you stole it's held potion.