Yang's HP bug is still present after 30 years!

[Cernel Joson]

Yang has no data in his HP growth tables after level 60, so his HP stop rising then. He is the only character with this flaw, and this bug has been present in most 2D versions since 1991! I would never have imagined that this bug is present in this release, which is over 30 years after the initial version (summer 1991). I think this bug was fixed in version 2 of the Japanese GBA, and version 1 of the European GBA release.

Why is this significant? Because it means someone at Square just copy/pasted a ton of data from the Japanese or NTSC GBA version 1.0. There are a lot of changes between this version and the original FF4, but I would never have imagined that they kept a 30 year old bug! What other crap didn't they fix? Is this why critical hits never happen in this version? Screenshot proof below.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2605883135

Unbelievable.

[eochi]

Probably because the game at its core is a copy/paste with added QoL features. It's not like they remade the entire game from scratch. Yang isn't a permanent playable character and they never originally intended the player to level him up so high before he got rotated out of the party but I agree it would be nice to see them fix that.

[Koby]

Can you even hit lvl 70 before Yang is removed from the partywithout cheating?

He's never intended to get to such levels. Not so sure I'd consider something that isn't possible without cheats to be a bug.

[Cernel Joson]

Originally posted by Koby:

Can you even hit lvl 70 before Yang is removed from the partywithout cheating?

Grind.

He's never intended to get to such levels.

Irrelevant. No other character has this problem. This is a widely known idiosyncrasy of 2D FF4 and it should have been fixed.

[eochi]

Originally posted by Koby:

Can you even hit lvl 70 before Yang is removed from the partywithout cheating?

He's never intended to get to such levels. Not so sure I'd consider something that isn't possible without cheats to be a bug.

You don't need cheats. Ik it sounds totally unnecessary but for me I like killing Mom Bomb, a boss you aren't really meant to kill before it blows up. So prior to the fight I'd do a lot of grinding and get Rydia to around level 40 and slap the boss. A stat bug could be a little annoying if you're into messing with the game like that.

[Cernel Joson]

Originally posted by eochi:

Probably because the game at its core is a copy/paste with added QoL features.

This is what I don't understand. If these Pixel Remasters were just FF1, 2, 4, 5, and 6 we could say they are all GBA 1.0 releases without bonus content. No mystery there. But this has FF3, which has never been released in 2D form outside the original Famicom. So what version is it running on? I ask because the in-battle menu is the same for the Pixel Remasters of 2, 3, and 4 (I haven't tried 1 yet). For example, you can no longer change equipment in battle in FF4. It's almost as though Square built a very modular, generic "Pixel Remaster" engine onto which they slap various components of whatever FF they want. Maybe that's why each game is so !$#@ huge to install compared to the original releases?

[Koby]

Originally posted by eochi:

Originally posted by Koby:

Can you even hit lvl 70 before Yang is removed from the partywithout cheating?

He's never intended to get to such levels. Not so sure I'd consider something that isn't possible without cheats to be a bug.

You don't need cheats. Ik it sounds totally unnecessary but for me I like killing Mom Bomb, a boss you aren't really meant to kill before it blows up. So prior to the fight I'd do a lot of grinding and get Rydia to around level 40 and slap the boss. A stat bug could be a little annoying if you're into messing with the game like that.

Obviously you don't NEED cheats to grind if you're willing to waste a dozen hours grinding well beyond any expectation. But this guy is sitting at level 70 with 5 hours of play time.

Even hitting 40 before Yang leaves requires quite a bit of intentionally over-leveling. Square Enix likely didn't believe anyone would spend 10+ hours to manually and intentionally grind Yangs level up to the point of hitting 60.

Heck... you can beat the whole game as low as like level 45.

Also.. You don't even need to grind to kill Mom Bomb really. If you're quick about it, you can take her our before the countdown at the standard level. Grinding just makes it easier to do.

[Blackened Halo]

Originally posted by Cernel Joson:

Originally posted by Koby:

Can you even hit lvl 70 before Yang is removed from the partywithout cheating?

Grind.

He's never intended to get to such levels.

Irrelevant. No other character has this problem. This is a widely known idiosyncrasy of 2D FF4 and it should have been fixed.

dude, you are 5 hours in and you are at lvl 70 ...whom do you want to lie to?

[Cernel Joson]

Originally posted by Koby:

Even hitting 40 before Yang leaves requires quite a bit of intentionally over-leveling. Square Enix likely didn't believe anyone would spend 10+ hours to manually and intentionally grind Yangs level up to the point of hitting 60.

In a cast of 14 playable characters, Yang is the only one with no HP data in his tables past 60. Square themselves acknowledged this bug by fixing it for at least 2 releases.

[Cernel Joson]

Originally posted by AnimuBoobaru:

https://i.imgur.com/dYRSjsd.png

Yeah I found the HP growth values. He actually has zero HP growth from 61 to 99. It would be pretty easy to fix it. It's literally just filling in those zeros. I know we, the player, shouldn't have to fix the absolute incompetence of the developers (I mean Edward's harps weren't even considered long-range in the code) but I'll fix it and add it in my translation mod if anyone's interested.

I'm interested. Can you see what on earth is going on with critical hits? They don't seem to happen at all.

[eochi]

Originally posted by Koby:

Also.. You don't even need to grind to kill Mom Bomb really. If you're quick about it, you can take her our before the countdown at the standard level. Grinding just makes it easier to do.

If you run straight through the story, you will be too low of a level when you reach Mom Bomb and you won't have enough dps to kill it before it blows. At the least you need Rydia to learn Bio which is around lvl 30.

[Blackened Halo]

Originally posted by Cernel Joson:

Originally posted by AnimuBoobaru:

https://i.imgur.com/dYRSjsd.png

Yeah I found the HP growth values. He actually has zero HP growth from 61 to 99. It would be pretty easy to fix it. It's literally just filling in those zeros. I know we, the player, shouldn't have to fix the absolute incompetence of the developers (I mean Edward's harps weren't even considered long-range in the code) but I'll fix it and add it in my translation mod if anyone's interested.

I'm interested. Can you see what on earth is going on with critical hits? They don't seem to happen at all.

yes it is a bug, but this version contains so many bugs from the previous version that the bug you found is no surprise ...in addition Yang is just a temporary character, noone important

[eochi]

Originally posted by Cernel Joson:

I'm interested. Can you see what on earth is going on with critical hits? They don't seem to happen at all.

I had always assumed we had critical hits but just no visual queue for some reason. Now I have no idea

[dragon_blade]

You relize theres literally no reason to even grind him that high to begin with right? Why would they put hp values in after a certain point when they don't expect players to grind that much? It's not a bug XD

[Skull182]

Wow, game is literally unplayable now. /s

Originally posted by AnimuBoobaru:

Originally posted by dragon_blade:

You relize theres literally no reason to even grind him that high to begin with right? Why would they put hp values in after a certain point when they don't expect players to grind that much? It's not a bug XD

Yang didn't have any HP growth past level 60 in the GBA version, and in that version you could put him in your party towards the end of the game. What's your excuse then?

Then complain it to that version.

In this one, it doesn't matter. Yang would be out of the party way earlier than that lv if you aren't insane, even with the lower Exp curve.

This is the equivalent of finding an out of bounds NPC that nobody would find in regular play. It was never supposed to be discovered, and it doesn't affect the game in any way.

[Skull182]

Originally posted by AnimuBoobaru:

I really don't understand how you guys are defending a bug that has been fixed in previous versions, regardless if you'll ever experience it or not. A remaster of a game shouldn't have drawbacks or compromises. It should be the best version of the game with the least amount of bugs as the base, and then be improved upon. There was a team of people whose job it was to get this correct, and they failed in multiple areas.

Because it's an irrelevant "bug". It doesn't affect the game in any way, shape or form, unless you actively try to stumble upon it.

Mind you, I have my gripes with the game. It's a shame they didn't seem to try even after all the rebalancing that went on FF3 PR. But you people are whining about stuff so irrelevant, it doesn't even matter at this point.