Rydia HP/EXP is balanced on this version?

[Lost Drunk]

I remember that Rydia on PSX version even having more EXP than other characters on final dungeon still a low level and just around 2000HP. Somebody can confirm if it is now balanced?
Plus the time to start a summon is shorter?

[Vambran]

Rydia LvL 99 has 6000 HP.
Edge LvL 99 has 7300 HP.
Rosa LvL 99 has 7100 HP.
Kain LvL 99 has 8800 HP.
Cecil LvL 99 has 9400 HP.

Give all your Apples and Soma drops to Rydia.

[BoogieMan]

Hmm. In the SNES version, Cecil maxed out at 9999 hp, and Kain was around 9700. At level 99.

They lowered it in the other releases?

[Vambran]

Originally posted by BoogieMan:

Hmm. In the SNES version, Cecil maxed out at 9999 hp, and Kain was around 9700. At level 99.

They lowered it in the other releases?

I didnt use any Apples on them. Maybe thats why.

[BoogieMan]

Originally posted by Vambran:

Originally posted by BoogieMan:

Hmm. In the SNES version, Cecil maxed out at 9999 hp, and Kain was around 9700. At level 99.

They lowered it in the other releases?

I didnt use any Apples on them. Maybe thats why.

Those didn't exist in the SNES version.

[ohsoChrisP]

Originally posted by BoogieMan:

Originally posted by Vambran:

I didnt use any Apples on them. Maybe thats why.

Those didn't exist in the SNES version.

Not in the english version, no. But the original version did.

[Vambran]

i took a screen shot under recent screen shots. cant figure out how to post to forums though.

[EZeddie77]

Vambran's HP total match what I always had at the end of the SNES US version. Rydia had 5400 HPs, so 600 HP's in apples.

[maestro]

Originally posted by BoogieMan:

Hmm. In the SNES version, Cecil maxed out at 9999 hp, and Kain was around 9700. At level 99.

They lowered it in the other releases?

Cecil most certainly did not get 9999HP unless you equipped +Stamina items on him when he gains a level as often as possible.

Many of my playthroughs saw Cecil ending at 9,400 to 9,600 somewheres.

I don't know how the remake works yet, but in the original SNES version, your HP gains are calculated using your current stamina value, which includes what items you were wearing at the time of the levelup.

[maestro]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ri3lraav3ouphgc/ff4comparison.png?dl=0

Note: I gave two Silver Apples to Rydia so she should only have 982 instead of 1082.

These numbers are VERY close to each other.

I'm surprised that my levels in these two saves are so close to each other, lol. I was doing a playthrough last year and had kinda got sidetracked.

The SNES version you see there is an unmodified USA version, btw.

[iw]

Originally posted by BoogieMan:

Hmm. In the SNES version, Cecil maxed out at 9999 hp, and Kain was around 9700. At level 99.

They lowered it in the other releases?

What?
I have the SNES version and I have never seen Cecil reach 9999 HP, it is always 9400 on average, in my current save game I reach 9419 (SNES)

[maestro]

Originally posted by im #root:

Originally posted by BoogieMan:

Hmm. In the SNES version, Cecil maxed out at 9999 hp, and Kain was around 9700. At level 99.

They lowered it in the other releases?

What?
I have the SNES version and I have never seen Cecil reach 9999 HP, it is always 9400 on average, in my current save game I reach 9419 (SNES)

Some people wised up to the fact the game uses your modified stamina rather than your base stamina when it calculates how much HP you gain on a levelup. If you put the Defender, Bl. Belt and other similar items on him every time he gains a level, you can push 9800 or even more.

It also requires trying NOT to get any more levels than you absolutely must until you get the Defender so you can exploit this for all that you can.

[aexoden]

HP gains in the SNES version are entirely random, and have nothing to do with stamina. You can refer to http://rb.thundaga.com/chars/ff4chrlvup.txt for the raw data on the set ranges for each character, but the summary for Cecil is that he'll finish with roughly 9400 HP, but could be anywhere from 8888 to 9924.

[Devalaous]

Originally posted by aexoden:

HP gains in the SNES version are entirely random, and have nothing to do with stamina. You can refer to http://rb.thundaga.com/chars/ff4chrlvup.txt for the raw data on the set ranges for each character, but the summary for Cecil is that he'll finish with roughly 9400 HP, but could be anywhere from 8888 to 9924.

Aww, was hoping to see if Golbez had programmed stats. Theres never any clear explanation on just how much programming he has for the SNES/GBA/PSP releases.

[Lost Drunk]

But about the EXP to level up?
In PSX version when Rydia having more EXP than any other character still a lower level. Like LV58 when Cecil/Rosa/Kain/Edge already get more than LV65. The amount EXP to level up Rydia was insane.

[maestro]

Originally posted by Lost Drunk:

But about the EXP to level up?
In PSX version when Rydia having more EXP than any other character still a lower level. Like LV58 when Cecil/Rosa/Kain/Edge already get more than LV65. The amount EXP to level up Rydia was insane.

From what I can tell, that does not seem to be the case here. She's keeping up with the rest of the party, at least in the Level 40s range.