Loot Shooter ?

[Snowflake ♛]

Is this game a Loot Shooter ? : )

[Bearishion]

if from what i read is true (being the game was basically the same but changed into a single player with multi aspect) not really. there are guns and you can shoot and loot but that isnt the main aspect of the game. I played before the company sold though so my info might be wrong now. if im not then you should expect it to be a looter with very minimal shooter

[Skylers Meth]

You can equip rifles / shotguns etc to characters and there is plenty of loot to be had..it's more of an action RPG dungeon crawler though

[Kriya Takagi]

i think they mean is this game a looter type of game something that falls into the same category as looter shooters just not literally meaning the weapon type, just the gameplay type

[Snowflake ♛]

loot shooter like boderlands ? :)

[Schtroumpf]

In short, yes.

[Garble]

Looter shooter with extra steps

[bro]

Originally posted by Zillah 🐾:

Is this game a Loot Shooter ? : )

no , you get loot and shooting is a factor that is in the game but it's not a looter shooter.

[Schtroumpf]

Originally posted by bro:

Originally posted by Zillah 🐾:

Is this game a Loot Shooter ? : )

no , you get loot and shooting is a factor that is in the game but it's not a looter shooter.

How's that the shooting is a factor that is in the game ? The fights are clearly the main thing.

"Looter shooter (also called loot shooter) is a subgenre of action role-playing games that incorporates shooter gameplay and procedurally generated weapons and equipment. A main goal of games in the genre is obtaining better items through grinding for random drops, typically with rarities ranging from common to legendary." (quote from wiki)

This game totally fits in this definition.

[Elveone]

Originally posted by Schtroumpf:

Originally posted by bro:

no , you get loot and shooting is a factor that is in the game but it's not a looter shooter.

How's that the shooting is a factor that is in the game ? The fights are clearly the main thing.

"Looter shooter (also called loot shooter) is a subgenre of action role-playing games that incorporates shooter gameplay and procedurally generated weapons and equipment. A main goal of games in the genre is obtaining better items through grinding for random drops, typically with rarities ranging from common to legendary." (quote from wiki)

This game totally fits in this definition.

The shooting is not deep enough to call it a shooter and the loot is not robust enough or random enough to call it a looter.

[Schtroumpf]

So you say there is shot and loot, but it's not a shot and loot, cause not deep enough ?
Sorry, it makes no sense to me.
It's exactly like borderlands, but maybe borderlands isn't a looter shooter either in your definition.
In that case, let's say it's a looter shooter depending on your point of view.

[Elveone]

Originally posted by Schtroumpf:

So you say there is shot and loot, but it's not a shot and loot, cause not deep enough ?
Sorry, it makes no sense to me.
It's exactly like borderlands, but maybe borderlands isn't a looter shooter either in your definition.
In that case, let's say it's a looter shooter depending on your point of view.

It is right there in the definition you posted:
"Looter shooter (also called loot shooter) is a subgenre of action role-playing games that incorporates shooter gameplay and procedurally generated weapons and equipment."
The gameplay has shooting but it is optional and not on par with shooters - the shooting mechanics are extremely simplified and there are additional gimmicky non-shooter mechanics which makes the game not really play like a shooter. As a result a person who is looking for a shooter is likely to be disappointed in the gameplay offered in Wayfinder which is why it should not be put in that category the same way you wouldn't really out NieR Automata in the shooter category although you also shoot stuff in that game as well.

The weapons and equipment are also not procedurally generated but have preset stats. They do have some random slots but those slots are filled with echoes that are, again, not random and do not come from random sources. There are also ways to obtain those weapons and equipment with whatever slots you want very fast which basically eliminates the element of randomness altogether. In that sense the game is not really a looter because it lacks the prerequisite of procedurally generated loot.

[Schtroumpf]

I agree and understand the points you raised here, and in a sense you're right.
But in my opinion, this game has enough element to call it like that.
In any looter shooter I know and played, the mechanics of shooting were never deeper than this one. The stats are not procedural, but the rarity is, and you have a chance to not drop the things you're farming.

Again, Borderlands seems to enter in this category, so this game too.
To not call it that way, they should create a new category. It's like the tag ARPG, the number of games that can enter in this definition is now so huge, that it means nothing anymore.
But my opinion here, and maybe I'm just wrong. In any case, have a nice day.

[Elveone]

The rarity is not procedural - it is either determined by the level of the weapon or by the type of the artefact. You can get echoes of different rarities but, again, they are not procedurally generated and each echo gives a preset amount of stats for each level and rarity. D&D based games have more procedurally generated loot than this game.

As for the shooting mechanics - they are really basic here. In Borderlands(1 and 2 mostly as 3 is a lot better) they are slightly simplified but you at least have recoil, projectile falloff with some weapons, enemy weak points and aiming down sights mattered. I would say we are at Hellgate London levels of basic here but there you could actually jump and shoot at the same time so we are not even there.

Edit:
As for the tag ARPG - the superficial "it seems to fit" approach is what is making terms like ARPG, Looter Shooter and many others lose their usefulness. If people actually bothered to learn the defining features of a subgenre genre instead of just going for the superficial approach then those terms would remain useful. And in some cases they still are when people actually bother to clarify that they are using them in their original meaning.