Rare crashes, becoming more frequent

[ElDudorino]

Hello! I've been playing Necesse for a while now, like since before the deep swamp caves existed. I don't think I ever had a single crash before the graphics update. Since updating I've put in 29 hours and have had 5 crashes. The first few were maybe 6 hours apart but the most recent crash was about an hour after my last crash.

I don't see an option "Run without ram arguments" in the launch options.

I made a copy of the latest log to take a look at but I'm not sure how best to post it.

How does the crash manifest: I'll be playing and suddenly the whole screen will freeze. After about 10 seconds, I get a black screen and my computer restarts. On my second-to-last crash I also noticed that I got some serious frame rate issues right before it crashed. I was fighting the moonlight dancer and all of a sudden the performance got very stuttery, then it froze altogether and crashed. But on the most recent crash I was just putting down walls for a new settlement I haven't established yet.

On my second-most-recent crash, my save file became corrupted. I loaded up a backup successfully but it had a weird result: My world still had the loot from the last incursion boss I'd fought, but it showed as unbeaten so I beat it again and pocketed the same loot a second time. Unfortunately before the crash I had left that incursion and entered another one and placed down 4 banners, and those 4 banners and banner stands are gone now along with the gateway tablet for the incursion I'd placed them in.

Running Windows 10 on an i7-9700k, stock clocks, 16GB of DDR4 RAM, and an RTX 2070 Super. Necesse is located on a SATA SSD. Main third-party software running is Steam, a Plex server (not streaming), Razer Central, and Wallpaper Engine. And Windows Defender is running.

Was that too much detail? :|

[ElDudorino]

Just crashed again, didn't even get a half-hour of playtime. Maybe I have too much going on? Too many bees?

[Fair]

Could you please send me the latest log at %APPDATA%/Necesse ?

[ElDudorino]

I don't know how to send a file on here. But I'll copy and past the contents:

[2024-08-25 21:40:03] SYSTEM INFO:
[2024-08-25 21:40:03] Username: Mike
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] OS: Microsoft Windows 10 build 19045
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700K CPU @ 3.60GHz
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] OS arch: amd64
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] Memory total: 17.01 GB
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] Memory max: 4.29 GB
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] Java path: E:\Steam\steamapps\common\Necesse\jre
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] Java version: 17.0.5
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] JVM arguments:
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] -XX:+UseG1GC
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] -XX:G1NewSizePercent=20
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] -XX:G1ReservePercent=20
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=50
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=32M
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] -Xms512m
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] -Xmx4G
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] -
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] LWJGL version: 3.3.1 build 7
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] Root path: E:\Steam\steamapps\common\Necesse\
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] AppData path: C:\Users\Mike\AppData\Roaming\Necesse\
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] Working dir: E:\Steam\steamapps\common\Necesse
[2024-08-25 21:40:04] Natives path: INTERNAL
[2024-08-25 21:40:06] GRAPHICS INFO:
[2024-08-25 21:40:06] Graphics card: NVIDIA Corporation, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER/PCIe/SSE2
[2024-08-25 21:40:06] OpenGL version: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 555.85
[2024-08-25 21:40:06] Display 0: 27EA33 (GCM, 59bd)
[2024-08-25 21:40:07] Started client on version 0.26.1 build 15422096 with authentication 76561198028125594.
[2024-08-25 21:40:18] Detected 1 controllers
[2024-08-25 21:40:18] Detected 2 controllers
[2024-08-25 21:40:21] Started singleplayer server on world Graphicslandfix.zip, game version 0.26.1
[2024-08-25 21:40:21] Found 1 saved players.
[2024-08-25 21:40:21] Client "ElDudorino" connected on slot 1/1.
[2024-08-25 21:40:21] Loaded player: 76561198028125594
[2024-08-25 21:40:21] Chat > ElDudorino is connecting!
[2024-08-25 21:40:24] Chat > ElDudorino has joined!
[2024-08-25 21:44:11] Changed ElDudorino level to -842x-7527d0
[2024-08-25 21:44:25] Changed ElDudorino level to -843x-7529d0
[2024-08-25 21:46:41] Chat > §aPenny the Traveling Merchant is arriving at Treeland
[2024-08-25 21:47:34] Changed ElDudorino level to -842x-7527d0
[2024-08-25 21:47:37] Changed ElDudorino level to -843x-7529d0
[2024-08-25 21:47:46] Changed ElDudorino level to -842x-7527d0
[2024-08-25 21:48:15] Changed ElDudorino level to -843x-7529d0
[2024-08-25 21:58:18] Changed ElDudorino level to -842x-7527d0
[2024-08-25 21:58:48] Unloaded level -843x-7529d0
[2024-08-25 21:59:33] Chat > Bed is already in use
[2024-08-25 22:00:44] ElDudorino bought Rockfish expedition for 538 coins
[2024-08-25 22:00:46] Chat > Joyce is busy
[2024-08-25 22:01:29] Changed ElDudorino level to -843x-7529d0
[2024-08-25 22:01:55] Changed ElDudorino level to -842x-7527d0
[2024-08-25 22:02:00] Changed ElDudorino level to -843x-7525d0
[2024-08-25 22:02:01] Changed ElDudorino level to -843x-7525d-100
[2024-08-25 22:02:25] Unloaded level -843x-7529d0
[2024-08-25 22:02:32] Unloaded level -843x-7525d0
[2024-08-25 22:02:38] Chat > §aPenny the Traveling Merchant is leaving Treeland
[2024-08-25 22:03:04] Changed ElDudorino level to -843x-7525d-101
[2024-08-25 22:03:04] Could not find Level: LATEST_BACKUP3 - Restored/levels/-843x-7525d-101.dat file for Graphicslandfix.zip
[2024-08-25 22:03:08] (ERR) Cannot send mob abilities from client. Only server handles when mob abilities are ran
[2024-08-25 22:03:08] Chat > §bVoid Wizard has awoken!
[2024-08-25 22:03:16] Chat > §bVoid Wizard has been defeated!
[2024-08-25 22:03:32] Changed ElDudorino level to -843x-7525d-100
[2024-08-25 22:03:37] Changed ElDudorino level to -842x-7527d0
[2024-08-25 22:04:02] Unloaded level -843x-7525d-101
[2024-08-25 22:04:07] Unloaded level -843x-7525d-100
[2024-08-25 22:04:10] Changed ElDudorino level to -843x-7529d0
[2024-08-25 22:05:58] Changed ElDudorino level to -842x-7527d0
[2024-08-25 22:06:28] Unloaded level -843x-7529d0
[2024-08-25 22:07:11] Chat > §7Joyce the Angler is returning to Treeland
[2024-08-25 22:08:12] ElDudorino is now AFK
[2024-08-25 22:08:18] ElDudorino is no longer AFK
[2024-08-25 22:08:50] ElDudorino is now AFK
[2024-08-25 22:08:58] ElDudorino is no longer AFK
[2024-08-25 22:09:34] ElDudorino is now AFK

[Fair]

Hmm, thanks. Unfortunately not much to go from there, so it looks like the game just closes
Are there any error files in the games install folder? If so, please send those

[ElDudorino]

Like the folder with Necesse.exe? Nothing stands out. I checked the various subdirectories just in case but there's nothing like an error file from what I can see.

I do see a lot of files that haven't been modified since 2023 and others that hadn't been modified since 2022. Is there anything there that could cause conflicts? I'll try reinstalling today. It crashed last night after half an hour again. All I've been doing is building a new settlement in a swamp.

[phonon5891]

I have a very similar PC config, but with a 2080 super and 64 GB of ram, and have not encountered any issue with the new graphics <knocks on wood>, even after an 8-hour marathon.

Fair had already suggested looking at the logs, but there doesn't seem to be anything there. This *may* indicate that the crash is happening at a "deeper" level (OS or even hardware). Are you playing with vsync on? Any framerate cap? What kind of monitor (resolution, refresh rate) are you using? Do you have any way of monitoring/recording hardware temps? Does your CPU/GPU fans spin up while playing?

[ElDudorino]

Hmm let's see, VSYNC on, FPS limit off, borderless windowed mode. (And I was playing in Fullscreen mode for a good while when I had no crashes so that could possibly be related.)

Temps have been normal during gameplay at all times from what I've noticed. Can't really see what's going on during the crash since my computer locks up, although I don't hear any fans spinning up. Not sure if there's good software that monitors temps/usage/etc like hwmonitor that keeps a running log file and saves what it looks like at the moment of shutoff...?

My other games have been running OK despite Necesse becoming wildly unstable just within the last couple of days. For now I guess I'll just mess with the settings a bit after each crash to see if one of them helps. I also just uninstalled and deleted all the old files to see if that helps. Fingers crossed!

[phonon5891]

I mentioned the graphics settings because I have ran into problems with other games not properly capping FPS, so my GPU was drawing max power at all times, which caused a cascading number of issues. Sounds like that's not what's going on in your case, though.

I'd still set the FPS limit to 60, or go to nVidia settings directly and set Necesse max frame rate to 62 there (the extra two is apparently because setting 60 actually results in 58.x FPS or so).

There's no way for users to change the allocated memory in Windows yet, but you can try killing everything else aside from Steam before launching the game, and see if that helps.

Finally, this is kinda dumb, but how much free space do you have left? A few months ago my computer choked while playing a very light game, which stumped me until I realized I had literal megabytes left on my main SSD, so it was choking every time it tried to autosave.

Hope you can track down the issue. Now I'm getting nervous about playing on *my* rig...

[ElDudorino]

Got 184GB out of 931GB free on the drive where Necesse lives, I always keep some extra space on each drive.

Anyway, I uninstalled, deleted leftover files, and reinstalled. I set an FPS limit, turned off V-Sync. Stayed in Borderless Windowed mode. Had zero crashes over like 4 hours played today. Fingers are crossed, with any luck one of those various things was causing the issue.