Breeding Needs Serious Help!

[Silver Feather]

I have spent far more time than I would like to admit trying for a 6 star foal with half decent stats with absolutely no luck. At this point I don't even care about gender, color or breed.

Dam (bay peacock appaloosa Arabian) is 5 star with following: A+ A A A B
I have bred the poor girl to at LEAST 8 studs today alone (of all breeds) with similar and higher stats (no stat lower than B), only to get foals with C D D D C ?!?!

This makes no sense and is INSANELY frustrating.
Devs make your breeding make sense please.

[Phae]

I agree it does not and makes breeding a waste of time. This I have fought with since I began playing. But is seems worse since they show stats as ABCD and Not using the numbers. Even so it is a very long boring process to upgrade you lineage. I have breed to lower and got better results so I don't know that the breeding has been really thought through. Just like breeding for color. You get what you get and it has no reason behind the color throughout the lineage. You have one color back through the lines and even have what should be the correct hidden in both and you get something out in left field.

[SinisterScarecrow]

The stats AND the colour genetics are frustrating, tho genetics are by far more frustrating tbh.

I bred my somewhat decent Legacy to at least 20+ horses yesterday and got around 4 or 5 foals with a few As and Bs, some had Cs. So I honestly think stats are more based on RNG than actual rhyme or reason. I know this makes sense for some games, as to not make progress too easy, but it is absolutely annoying.

At this point I am wondering if I should just give up on breeding an all A+ Legacy horse. After all, my all D Custom wins all races by default anyway, so stats really do not seem to matter. Maybe in races against other players but those I dislike anyway. :P

[Phae]

I don't like the races against other players either. It seems no matter if your horse your riding is better you can still loose at the end just like with Richard.

[Indrakshi]

Having issues. I have stats of a lvl 3 & 4 breeders that are A+ A C A A & C A B A A and only foals I ever got was a D D D D D. I thought in the instructions it says it took the average...it lied. =( I feel like it is broken.

[Phae]

Agree

[mordsith]

I'm having similar issues, none of my foal stats are coming out as averages of the parents. I'm getting pretty much D D D D D every time no matter the stats of the parents.

[thelefthorse]

Originally posted by mordsith:

I'm having similar issues, none of my foal stats are coming out as averages of the parents. I'm getting pretty much D D D D D every time no matter the stats of the parents.

If you are breeding horses of two different levels -- as the OP was, back in April, you will *never* get 'good' stats. To gradually improve stats, or to get a true average of both horses, they have to be the same level.

[bcarter1100]

Originally posted by thelefthorse:

Originally posted by mordsith:

I'm having similar issues, none of my foal stats are coming out as averages of the parents. I'm getting pretty much D D D D D every time no matter the stats of the parents.

If you are breeding horses of two different levels -- as the OP was, back in April, you will *never* get 'good' stats. To gradually improve stats, or to get a true average of both horses, they have to be the same level.

I'm trying to breed a grade 5 thoroughbred with A+ A B A A+ to a 5 grade stallion with A+ A+ A+ A+ A and I'm getting random foals such as A+ C B A A+... or a mixture. My most latest foal is a C A B C A between the pair. It makes no sense.

[Phae]

The breeding has never made sense. I have bred a almost maxed out horse to another almost that had A where the other did not and got a lower across than the parents. I don't understand the dev's thinking for this

[thelefthorse]

Originally posted by bcarter1100:

Originally posted by thelefthorse:

If you are breeding horses of two different levels -- as the OP was, back in April, you will *never* get 'good' stats. To gradually improve stats, or to get a true average of both horses, they have to be the same level.

I'm trying to breed a grade 5 thoroughbred with A+ A B A A+ to a 5 grade stallion with A+ A+ A+ A+ A and I'm getting random foals such as A+ C B A A+... or a mixture. My most latest foal is a C A B C A between the pair. It makes no sense.

Originally posted by Phae:

The breeding has never made sense. I have bred a almost maxed out horse to another almost that had A where the other did not and got a lower across than the parents. I don't understand the dev's thinking for this

I'm seeing that as well. I don't necessarily think it's less consistent than it was previously, it's just that the letter grades make the off-numbers more obvious. I will say I have bred and bred and bred and bred and bred two mostly A+s, each with two As, in my newest save and have yet to get a foal with all As, let alone more A+s than As, which is what I'm shooting for.

I only play for a few minutes a day, so I'm just popping in to check the new foal, groaning, breeding again, maybe doing a cross-country course or two to pump some money into the system -- I'm still early enough in the game that cross-country nets much bigger financial rewards than flat racing, which of course flips in the later game. I've probably bred this one stallion, who has three A+s and two As, sixty times. Literally. Probably more, when I think about it -- this has been going on for three or four weeks (I'm stubborn). I refuse to spend time and money training an ugly horse with good stats or a pretty horse with bad stats, so here I am.

Some players don't understand the system, however, and expect to get a horse with good stats out of breeding two different level horses, and that, simply put, isn't how it works. But there should be much more consistency when breeding horses of the same level, I'll agree to that. All to say, I feel your pain on the breeding. I don't know who wrote the algorithms, but they could use some refinement.

[metallicaphil]

after reading everyone's comments and with careful consideration, I've decided that trying to breed horses is a complete waste of time. i'm going to stick with the legacy horse until i unlock the pasture, stick it in there out of the way, and just buy a new horse when i stop winning races

[des]

It does make sense. You are going up a grade. A grade 5 horse cannot provide good stats to a grade 6 horse. You have to get the grade first and then improve the stats from there. Start with a grade 6 with full C's and D's and breed to a grade 6 with higher stats. You might not get lucky the first time, but you'll eventually get a grade 6 with at least A's and B's if you do it right.
If you're breeding 1 grade up, you are ALWAYS going to get bad stats. The benefit of going a grade up is you can train a full D stat grade 6 to still outperform an A+ grade 5.
Once you max out at grade 10, you won't have to worry about any of this anymore.

[blueunicorn341]

I've bred a grade 5 mare with A+ A+ A A+ A+ stats with a grandson of my legacy (A+ A+ A A+ B and B A A A A+) A B A A A (lower result than parents) who has also been bred with a A+ A+ A A+ A mare.

My horse's family tree is a wreath and the best tier 6 I've gotten had 1 B, 2 Cs and the rest D with the grade 5s I've accidentally gotten either having worse stats or slightly better (An A+ instead of an A or a A instead of a B).

[campepsi]

Originally posted by Indrakshi:

Having issues. I have stats of a lvl 3 & 4 breeders that are A+ A C A A & C A B A A and only foals I ever got was a D D D D D. I thought in the instructions it says it took the average...it lied. =( I feel like it is broken.

This is totally normal.
Keep in mind the stats aren't the letters but the number. The letters are just there to make it easier to see if stats can be better or not.

I'll use random numbers because I dont know the exact stats of any specific level, but the same logic applies to all level.

A+ on a level 9 horse = 235
C on a level 10 horse = 235
A+ on a level 10 horse = 250

Since stats are based on both parents, unless both parents have A and A+, you will only get D on the foal