106 is a “clone” of Subject 617.

[disfigurement]

Theory I had. Since Subject 617 (The guy from “The Hidden”) is apparently canonically in the Trepang2 universe and actually share the ability of 106 (invisibility, extreme agility, strength, combat knowledge), he might have been the host body to cycles akin to 106. The number shouldn’t concern you since he isn’t part of the cycle program so he isn’t supposed to have a number below 107 or anything, perhaps 617 is either a subject of Horizon or another Task Force.

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Yeah by the way, I’m saying this because there is apparently a reference to 617 existing because of a line said by black ops (Source: Trepang2 Fandom)

[Nathan]

The Hidden? As in the Source asymmetrical MP mod from back in the day? Man, that's wild, I remember playing that.

[disfigurement]

Originally posted by Nathan:

The Hidden? As in the Source asymmetrical MP mod from back in the day? Man, that's wild, I remember playing that.

Yeah, exactly.

[bored huy]

the subject numbering system how its work is that the higher the subject number are the junitor and the lowest are senior
subject 617 is too high of number considering the tf27 cycle clone havent far off with the 100, the newest junitor is subject 107
subject 617 can only be from a different organization that tf27 or syndicate have involved before
is could be that or the the syndicate have other task force that also use clones but unlike tf27, they keep creating new clones constantly either for higher number (for big warfare) or
large nubmer of failed experiment clones leading to them having thousand clones and subject 617 is one of them

i know subject 617 can just be an Easter egg reference
but subject 617 is vague name so anyone can be subject 617

[disfigurement]

Originally posted by bored huy:

the subject numbering system how its work is that the higher the subject number are the junitor and the lowest are senior
subject 617 is too high of number considering the tf27 cycle clone havent far off with the 100, the newest junitor is subject 107
subject 617 can only be from a different organization that tf27 or syndicate have involved before
is could be that or the the syndicate have other task force that also use clones but unlike tf27, they keep creating new clones constantly either for higher number (for big warfare) or
large nubmer of failed experiment clones leading to them having thousand clones and subject 617 is one of them

i know subject 617 can just be an Easter egg reference
but subject 617 is vague name so anyone can be subject 617

I just said that you shouldn't look at the number as he isnt a part of the cycle program, he could be either a subject of Horizon, an 'SCP" type anomaly like other subjects met in game or an "Ace" of another Task Force.

[mie001]

I kinda agree. There's no evidence that only TF27 had this cloning tech, there's more than one TF exist and they seems like having different "function", 27 is for "reclaim syndicate's asset", so they had all kinds of clone soldier for those missions altho a lot of them became the asset that needs reclaim themselves. It would only be logical that the syndicate using this tech elsewhere, for cycle program is so successful, which explain the 617
Or the subjects are anomaly themselves, the syndicate merely modify them for their job, and they don't really had a lot of control over them. That can explain why there's an 617, and why the TF27 will had an themo-nuke in their base, they are just that scared. This theory can also explain why there's drone all over the level, which is seemly collecting 106's memory and instruct him to detonate the nuke, because there's a third-party of this. Altho the dlc mission also hint that Horizon had tech that can transfer subject's memory to a somewhat new body, so maybe I'm wrong

[disfigurement]

Originally posted by mie001:

I kinda agree. There's no evidence that only TF27 had this cloning tech, there's more than one TF exist and they seems like having different "function", 27 is for "reclaim syndicate's asset", so they had all kinds of clone soldier for those missions altho a lot of them became the asset that needs reclaim themselves. It would only be logical that the syndicate using this tech elsewhere, for cycle program is so successful, which explain the 617
Or the subjects are anomaly themselves, the syndicate merely modify them for their job, and they don't really had a lot of control over them. That can explain why there's an 617, and why the TF27 will had an themo-nuke in their base, they are just that scared. This theory can also explain why there's drone all over the level, which is seemly collecting 106's memory and instruct him to detonate the nuke, because there's a third-party of this. Altho the dlc mission also hint that Horizon had tech that can transfer subject's memory to a somewhat new body, so maybe I'm wrong

Possibly the best response I've gotten so far, thank you. Yeah, you gave even more food for thought about this.

[Nathan]

Omega Facility also already established that Horizon are dabbling with cloning tech (cloning Emerson's dying body and trying to break the cycle of the clones), and yeah then the evidence of more TF facilities around the globe like TF63 so easy to extrapolate potential other cloning facilities within the Syndicate-- I mean it's clear considering almost all missions are about dealing with other "Subjects", your "brothers" as the Patriarch would say.
I was replaying the Pandora Institute, and the Mothman in one of the intels you can find is written that it's not a Horizon experiment, but something they retrieved from a Syndicate hideout, a Subject with a number just like yourself.

The memory transplant stuff is talked about in many places, one of the first intel documents you can find in Site 14 talks about Horizon trying to implant 106's memories into volunteers to figure out more since interrogations have been unsuccessful, then there's the brain transplant stuff, with Anton Lazar trying to transfer his consciousness since he's dying which is the climax at Horizon HQ, Lazar trying to speed up the process of transferring his mind (also referenced in an intel doc in Omega Facility)

I don't know much about The Hidden and some deeper lore, I remember playing it but that was like 19-18 years ago. But a fun thing to consider: the number 617, I remember that technically the number of the beast in the biblical sense is 616, not 666 as is usually thought, 666 is a later translation not in some of the original copies-- So, when some people play with "the neighbor of the beast" tropes and references in media, like Remedy often loves to do with Max Payne or Alan Wake or Control with 665 or 667, well, you can also say that "technically" 617 is also the "neighbor of the beast", if one likes their religious metaphors.
So the number could be thought of as maybe carrying a special meaning, given under extraordinary circumstances for 617 over other subjects.

[disfigurement]

Originally posted by Nathan:

Omega Facility also already established that Horizon are dabbling with cloning tech (cloning Emerson's dying body and trying to break the cycle of the clones), and yeah then the evidence of more TF facilities around the globe like TF63 so easy to extrapolate potential other cloning facilities within the Syndicate-- I mean it's clear considering almost all missions are about dealing with other "Subjects", your "brothers" as the Patriarch would say.
I was replaying the Pandora Institute, and the Mothman in one of the intels you can find is written that it's not a Horizon experiment, but something they retrieved from a Syndicate hideout, a Subject with a number just like yourself.

The memory transplant stuff is talked about in many places, one of the first intel documents you can find in Site 14 talks about Horizon trying to implant 106's memories into volunteers to figure out more since interrogations have been unsuccessful, then there's the brain transplant stuff, with Anton Lazar trying to transfer his consciousness since he's dying which is the climax at Horizon HQ, Lazar trying to speed up the process of transferring his mind (also referenced in an intel doc in Omega Facility)

I don't know much about The Hidden and some deeper lore, I remember playing it but that was like 19-18 years ago. But a fun thing to consider: the number 617, I remember that technically the number of the beast in the biblical sense is 616, not 666 as is usually thought, 666 is a later translation not in some of the original copies-- So, when some people play with "the neighbor of the beast" tropes and references in media, like Remedy often loves to do with Max Payne or Alan Wake or Control with 665 or 667, well, you can also say that "technically" 617 is also the "neighbor of the beast", if one likes their religious metaphors.
So the number could be thought of as maybe carrying a special meaning, given under extraordinary circumstances for 617 over other subjects.

so what you're saying is 617 is actually the devil or something? Or the fact that he is called that because he is the catalyst for doom coming to earth (106 appearing, for example)?

[Nathan]

Originally posted by disfigurement:

so what you're saying is 617 is actually the devil or something? Or the fact that he is called that because he is the catalyst for doom coming to earth (106 appearing, for example)?

616 would be in religious metaphors the number of the beast, 617 would be "the neighbor of the beast", which is also commonly referenced in media, relatedly, Control for instance as one example of a Remedy game that has 667 or 665 in a Dr Darling presentation (I single out Control because of it's very SCP like world which shares a lot of DNA with Trepang2)

[disfigurement]

Originally posted by Nathan:

Originally posted by disfigurement:

so what you're saying is 617 is actually the devil or something? Or the fact that he is called that because he is the catalyst for doom coming to earth (106 appearing, for example)?

616 would be in religious metaphors the number of the beast, 617 would be "the neighbor of the beast", which is also commonly referenced in media, relatedly, Control for instance as one example of a Remedy game that has 667 or 665 in a Dr Darling presentation (I single out Control because of it's very SCP like world which shares a lot of DNA with Trepang2)

regardless, thats a very interesting input, thanks

[Yuh]

I am not entirely sure all of these test subjects were created from the same person. They can vary wildly in appearance. Clones are being made, certainly. But I do not think every subject is cloned from the same person. They could even be random natural born people but all with the same implanted memories and training.

[disfigurement]

Originally posted by Yuh:

I am not entirely sure all of these test subjects were created from the same person. They can vary wildly in appearance. Clones are being made, certainly. But I do not think every subject is cloned from the same person. They could even be random natural born people but all with the same implanted memories and training.

well I'm not saying that ALL cycles are from 617, Im thinking that 106 comes from 617 because they share the same abilities as him. Maybe even Emerson, since his clones also possess the abilities.