Very Hard, Extreme and Rage Mode.

[Trauma Loop]

Is this me going to complain about something? yes but for good reason.

These 3 difficulties while being completely optional and really only for goofy cheats and steam achievements are just plain awful. Now to be clear I've never played extreme or rage and I will never do those things because VH pretty much gave me the general idea on how they would play out, that being the exact opposite of this game. Slow as molasses and filled with so much cheese you might as well be in France.

Like seriously, the jump from hard to very hard is insane. on hard you'll get rolled if you play bad but you don't need to use every little thing in your arsenal, while on VH you need to at minimum abuse cloak constantly else face the wrath of the AI dealing goofy damage to your armour and then health.

Hell rage mode even tells you "Die lolw" pretty much.

This is all I have to offer on this subject. I do enjoy the game and don't regret buying it for full price as the quality on offer is above and beyond what I expected but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, man VH and above just kill me.

[Based Legionary™]

Rage Mode is more for those sweaty MF'ers who always complain about the lack of Difficulty just to elevate themselfs, even though they struggle with them like everyone else

But VH and Extreme are very Fun and i had a Blast with them

[Toast]

Originally posted by The gay Patriarch™:

Rage Mode is more for those sweaty MF'ers who always complain about the lack of Difficulty just to elevate themselfs, even though they struggle with them like everyone else

But VH and Extreme are very Fun and i had a Blast with them

I completed the game originally on very hard because I'm pretty good at fps games and I would say that it's the hardest difficulty where the game doesn't break down from unfair ai + cheese and still remains extremely fun (at least for me).

I'm currently going for the rage completion achievement (with only the final mission to go) and I can confidently say that... no, completing rage mode isn't skill full, it's just time consuming.

All you need for rage mode is time as all you do is throw your self through missions dying repeatedly until you finally hit every head shot whilst abusing slow mo and invis. The best example is the mission with the breakable house in the middle of nowhere as all you can do in that mission to not die is hide -> wait for invis -> take 1 head shot with DMR -> repeat.

[Stolas! ❤]

I'm stuck on the Patriarch on rage, I have no focus left and he kills me instantly, I really don't want to redo the level and try to conserve my focus as the level is pretty long, what do I do? 😭

[Toast]

At the back of the patriarch arena there is that explosive burst boltgun in the corner, I just used that to damage the patriarch and used incendiary rounds on everyone else, took me about an hour or so tho after all the attempts.

Also if you leave the level and quit to desktop instead of going back to the base, it should save your progress.

[⸸𝙿𝚛𝚊𝚡𝚒𝚜⸸]

Very hard is the perfect difficulty.
It requires you to make decisions in combat and use all the mechanics flawlessly.
Above is stupid I agree, it like the "Ultra nightmare" for T2. Ill get there eventually.

Difficulties are a weird one.
Totally down to the player what they like.

[armedpoop]

I started the game on very hard and had it didn't feel unfair at all, it actually felt like there was a fail state which is good. I never had an issue with running out of focus, and if using the cloak to get out of a bad situation or reposition is "cheese", then I guess my run was pretty cheesy? Took me about 6 and half hours to beat it on very hard.

Looking forward to trying extreme.

[Aria Athena]

Rage mode is hard, but nowhere near as hard as the developers want you to believe. The "the publisher didn't want us to include this difficulty" comment smells like bs to me. It's a bit like Legendary in Halo, you have to find out what works and simply avoid what doesn't, or you will just unnecessarily suffer.

Most of the time, if you have shotgun shells you are going to be fine. The enemies won't hit you much if you run perpendicular to the direction they are looking, and they can't really follow your slide, those are my two cents. You shouldn't go into battle unless you can get a quick kill for the infinite stamina.

In my opinion it highlights a couple of issues the game has. Enemies spawn from above a bit too often, regularly behind you, footsteps make little to no noise, and enemies do not flinch enough from magazines being unloaded on them. Also fire .

# 1 cause of death: The Patriarch and his goons. #2 cause of death: My explosives.

[Toast]

I agree that it's not as hard as it looks however I have to say that the main problem with the mode (at least for me) is that the difficulty mostly undermines everything fun about the game.

1) 85% of the weapon combinations just aren't usable, the only weapons I've found to be viable is shotgun + choke, grenade launcher, dmr and dual pistols + comp + laser + full auto. The best example is just how completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ useless the SMG is.

2) The AI is just simply ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, if the AI can hit me whilst I'm 50m away with a single shotgun pellet and I go from full health and armour to dead (yes that actually happened to me), that's just not fun or fair.

3) The game goes from you feeling like a super soldier who can wade through hordes of guys with guns, to every single enemy being the super soldier whilst you feel like a toddler hiding from stray bullets in a war zone. I'm not saying that on the hardest difficulty you should feel like you can kill everything with ease, but when it's kinda the whole story of the game that you're supposed to be stronger than everyone else, it doesn't really feel good when a sneeze from a guy who isn't even looking at you could blow you away.

Tldr: the problem with rage mode is it takes the fun and freedom of the regular game and completely strips it down, and when people are most likely only playing rage mode to go for the achievement, it won't feel like getting that achievement was worth their time when it wasn't even fun.

[Crossgen]

I mean its Rage mode guys. Its supposed to be brutal. If the game's not fun anymore why not lower the difficultly? That's why different options are there.

[Toast]

I would agree with you but the problem is that to get 100% you need to beat the game on rage mode, and the problem with "just play on a lower difficulty" is why would the devs then bother with making a mode that's just unbalanced and unfun + give an achievement for beating it if everyone just played on a lower difficulty anyway.

Btw this is just my opinion so if you are having fun with rage mode, fair enough you do you :)

[Crossgen]

Originally posted by Toast:

I would agree with you but the problem is that to get 100% you need to beat the game on rage mode, and the problem with "just play on a lower difficulty" is why would the devs then bother with making a mode that's just unbalanced and unfun + give an achievement for beating it if everyone just played on a lower difficulty anyway.

Btw this is just my opinion so if you are having fun with rage mode, fair enough you do you :)

I assume because it is unbalanced and unfun and only masochists would play through it. That's why there's an achievement for it, because it's a bloody nightmare to complete. Maybe not a good game to 100% man.

[Trauma Loop]

Originally posted by Toast:

I would agree with you but the problem is that to get 100% you need to beat the game on rage mode, and the problem with "just play on a lower difficulty" is why would the devs then bother with making a mode that's just unbalanced and unfun + give an achievement for beating it if everyone just played on a lower difficulty anyway.

Btw this is just my opinion so if you are having fun with rage mode, fair enough you do you :)

It's not the achievements I care about it's the cheats. you literally have to play Extreme and Rage Mode on some missions to get cheats. iirc it's Infinite ammo, cloak and grenades.

[smoking addiction]

i had fun in extreme till the crash site mission where it just becomes hell

its clear the open maps were not meant for extreme and rage mode

[Toast]

Originally posted by Crossgen:

Originally posted by Toast:

I would agree with you but the problem is that to get 100% you need to beat the game on rage mode, and the problem with "just play on a lower difficulty" is why would the devs then bother with making a mode that's just unbalanced and unfun + give an achievement for beating it if everyone just played on a lower difficulty anyway.

Btw this is just my opinion so if you are having fun with rage mode, fair enough you do you :)

I assume because it is unbalanced and unfun and only masochists would play through it. That's why there's an achievement for it, because it's a bloody nightmare to complete. Maybe not a good game to 100% man.

Yh I understand no one's forcing me to 100% the game and I'm only putting this on myself, but considering how much fun the game is up until the point where you find yourself having to do rage mode for achievements (or cheats as above said), it just kinda sucks knowing that with some balance tweaks it could be just as fun as the rest of the game.

I've beaten other difficult stuff like Doom Eternal on ultra nightmare and I think the main problem with rage mode is most of the time when I die instead of thinking "hmmm what could I do better next time" I'm instead going "Welp time to throw myself at them again and see what happens."

Also I doubt think the devs went "Lets put in a mode just for masochists lol" but yh I see where ur coming from.

[Rich Homie Qui Gon]

Very hard wasn't bad at all but I started a play through on extreme and pretty quickly decided that it wasn't going to be a good time.