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I'm not saying it does not exist. I just say it's dangerous to assume that of course it must really exist when theorizing - both possibilites need to be taken into account. Now, whether it truly exists or not, I have little doubt it does have a heavy metaphorical layer attached to it (like a lot of the story).
For instance, in my opinion it clearly references Dante's Hell.
Now if you have a theory where it exists and if it's solid and coherent, maybe it does after all!
My own basic theory is: that it is somehow linked to Rokkenjima - like the time capsule might lead to the island (once again, based on Divine Comedy symbolism, secret passage to Purgatory and all). And Battler references one in Umineko when making bulls**t theories for the rose garden Virgilia fight. If there truly needs to be a kind of mountain on Rokkenjima for it to parallel Purgatory, then maybe there was a volcano after all.......... But when I say that it "leads" there - of course I expect it to make sense in a metaphorical way, not a literal one.
I could have also used the Three Kings to illustrate this - I'm not saying it's easy to take on all different angles and for myself I certainly am not able to explore alone all theories based on what info we choose to view as "safe". It's just the good ol' "Truth can only be seen with both eyes" idea!
If you want to go nuts, here's a theory: The underground lab is entirely within Miyao's mind. Not that he's just imagining it; it's a high-fidelity simulation. Various scientists and engineers have their brains loaded into it, or at least the aspects of their personalities that drive them to seek breakthroughs. We know Miyao has more P3 than currently technology can even access, so who knows what's going on inside his head? There's a prophecy for the future in there too. In the lab, it's "inside the vault." Blue Miyao shows Miyao what's in the vault: the "machine future."
This seems to fit well with the "Vier is mom" theory. Miyao is a supercomputer engineered to host a virtual science lab. In his mind is a virtual copy of mom, who somehow gathers more unwitting science-oriented minds.
How can the timeline work if Vier is mom? I'm not sure, because it seems like she needs to drop off the face of the earth long before Miyao's birth. Yet, Toujirou's ex-wife and son seem to be fairly well-known entities, so it doesn't seem like she gave birth in secret. My guess is that the references to Toujirou's family are vague enough that I'm misinterpreting them due to tricky writing, but there is a way to make it all work.
Anyway: What ever leaves the lab? Anything physical? It seems like it's mostly information, going out and hacking various 8MS. That fits with it being a virtual world. However, some notable exceptions: Some wisdom is supposedly spotted in the wild, in that ever-confusing airport scene. Lingji has a gauntlet which previously is only shown to exist in the lab. And, in the ending, Vier and Toujirou are in the same place. (Maybe that place is virtual too? Or it could be that Vier also exists in the world physically and there's only a copy inside Miyao. Or maybe Toujirou is actually with Vier's daughter or some crazy ♥♥♥♥ like that.)
i like your theories and reasoning
do you have an opinion on whodunnit and whydunnit?
Very interesting theory - though I'm not sure I understood all you meant the right way. Like when you talk about a supercomputer it sounds literal to me - like Vier would have built this computer to run a simulation to try to find how to save humanity? And so that would be the meaning of Miyao being her 'son' - her creation. But then you talk about the family stuff as though a physical Miyao really exists she really gave birth to - that's where I'm not sure I get you. xD
About Higanbana - I haven't read the manga but apparently it's... not that good. The VN however is really good, and still short compared to a WTC! I'd say it's roughly 20 hours in total.
I also wonder how your theory could fit with my three-person identity theory? Basically, it's saying that Gunhild is Vier's "reincarnation", with Vier's memories somehow loaded into her brain but in the background, affecting her subconsciously though she cannot really access those memories. And while I say that, it's probably metaphorical too though I don't know what the metpahors might mean - 'cause the less weird tech involved, the better. As for the "third" part of the identity, it would be Maya, but I am less sure about that, still I choose to include it for now. So yeah it's a kinda Vier=Gunhild=Maya idea though the meaning of each = is not literal ofc.
If you're interested in exchanging theories further perhaps you could join this server too which has been posted in another thread - I write a lot there it's way easier like this and it's far more active in discussion that these steam threads!
https://discord.gg/Qfv6DfC
@boreralexecutioner You might be interested too - it sounds like you've found a coherent who/how/why theory just like one member there too!
Erka, I don't really get your three-person concept either. It seems to hinge on something some character says one time about a triplicate person. Do you remember when that happened? I don't remember it so I can't grasp your ideas. I particularly don't understand why Maja needs to be involved.
As for what I wrote about the lab being inside Miyao, yes, I meant it how I wrote it: Miyao is an actual flesh-and-blood human whose brain has this lab simulation in it. I actually don't think it's such a weird concept. After all, selcom software runs on the brain. There is no electronic device involved with kizuna, keropoyo, wanyadora, any of that. The brain is the computer hardware. And, Miyao's brain has processing capabilities that widely-available tech can't even find the limits of. So, maybe he has a whole virtual reality running in there, which he doesn't even directly know about. I'm not married to this idea, but if nothing else, it's a way to get your mind working in flexible ways.
boreralexecutioner, I'm not even sure WHAT was done. A lot of the events in the story have relatively straightforward explanations. Which are the mysterious actions that we're trying to explain? The virus, maybe? I think the Kings were surprised by that one. There was something they were surprised by, I'm not sure if I'm remembering the right thing.
I'm not married to my ideas either but it would be a bit complicated to explain it all here - can we go on on the discord server then? Also yes "Three-person" was mentioned by Miyao during a conversation he has with Tojiro about Chivalric Orders. Someone in Japanese simply thought it was the Three Kings but it's a bit weird in my opinion even if that explanation could more or less fit with the context.
With that in mind, my three "identity" theory came to be completely separately. I did not really look for it but rather I tried to put together a lot of elements which intrigued me and then it resulted into it. Umineko also helped me put it together though it can then be removed entirely from the picture with only the Ciconia "clues". About Maja, as I've already said, it's the one I am clearly less certain about. It might really be a stretch. I'll gladly explain it on the discord but honestly before I need to dive again into my own theory, I created it several months ago now and I haven't read Ciconia for some time so my thoughts are not at their best right now. I plan on reading again soon enough though.
So yeah the theory was created separately but then I remembered this Three-person stuff so I call it the Three-person identity theory (sorry for the confusion). But I am NOT sure at all it is the identity of the "Three-person" Miyao speaks of there. xD ...Since I have the possibility in mind, yes the next step in my theory is to say that they are. But I really don't know about that. What bugs me is that Miyao would know it - but hey he knows about the Three Kings in that scene too. If this name had been mentioned by Tojiro however, I think I would more strongly believe it might really be "Three Person" due to his connections to Vier and Maja.
Ah I may also point out Three-Person is mentioned in that scene because it is said they are the one(s) behind the "All is in the name of guiding humanity down the right path" catchphrase. Then it is said it is also the Three Kings' words. But if they were the same entity in my opinion it would be weird to mention them separetely like that and have such a change to the word "Person" (singular above all).
In the very same bit there's not only that but also the implication that the catchphrase is a secret code so with an entirely different true meaning behind it that only those in the secret know..... So it really is an important part in my opinion. I had suspected this idea for Umineko but never really went anywhere with it, but now it's got me thinking again about it.
Miyao: "Hey. How does your chivalric order view the current world situation? In particular, the warlike emotions heating up between the AOU and the COU."
Toujirou: "Of course, it's a worrying issue for us. I can't speak of it in detail because of our code, but naturally, we're fighting day after day. All is in the name of guiding humanity down the right path."
Miyao: "Oh, I know that one. It's from Three Person, right? Those were the secret code words of the Order of the Three Kings."
Toujirou: "Hahahaha. What do you think? Was I able to distract you for a bit?"
So yeah, I have no idea how to understand "Three Person" here. It doesn't even really seem grammatical.
It is quite interesting that Miyao mentions the Order of the Three Kings. It sounds like that's just a historic thing people know about in this world? That really makes that little catchphrase seem more ridiculous when spoken in the context of this big secret ritualistic setting with the kings and the jestress. Kinda like they're saying "may the force be with you" or something.
Though, come to think of it, are the Three Kings actually a chivalric order? Do they call themselves that? Do they have a grandmaster? (Seems unlikely since seem more like a triumvirate with no single leader.) They certainly seem to think they control the Ninth Prime order, but do they ever call themselves part of it? I don't remember.
Make a comparison for the Three Kings to the concept of the Illuminati. If you brought them up in a conversation most people would at least have a vague idea of the concept. Even their used imagery is a triangle eye, just upside down.
I think so; she acted differently at the end of Phase 1 and the Data Fragments showed that Chloe had a "Dark Side".
So I have a very speculative theory based mostly on intuition that besides 9th Prime Chivalric Order there is another secret group amongst AAI which probably works against Three Kings.
Literally everyone in AOU AAI is suspicious.
At first, my main suspect was Gunhild, mostly because of her chapters in data fragments. But here's a thing... why were her shields down in that critical moment in the end? Keropoyo started self-diagnostic? I think she was probably hacked by either Toujiro or another person from "time to cleanse this world" group, which makes her not so questionable, I guess.
Chloe is suspicious as well. We know about her second personality and that for some reason she was shocking Lilja in the end. I'm not sure about here motives, she could easily try to stop Koshka from reaching her target (while shocking Lilja simultaneously) or perhaps trying to stop Lilja from stopping Koshka?
Koshka... What I think author wants us to believe is that she is a piece that can move from one universe to another - Pandora's Box, a.k.a. last hope of humanity. She is probably self-aware of this fact, considering her desire to destroy this "screwed-up world". But considering that this is only the first phase, I think author is trying to mislead us. It's just a hunch, but if we are going to consider VR theory, there is a possibility that Geroy 4 scene with Koshka and experiments was in fact in the real world - maybe that's the meaning of Pandora's Box, ability to enter and exit VR or something like this...
But that's not my point about Koshka - her ability to find and kill someone in the end (btw, who do you think it was? kings? Toujiro? I guess we won;t find out anytime soon) and meet the Jestress in the end was suspicious as well.
Lilja. So, apparently she was trained in Geroy 4 to communicate with Koshka. We don't know anything about "Clay Girl" (tbh I'm not sure whether it was was mentioned anywhere in the story besides her character tip), but we do know from the same chapter with Koshka's memories that she suffered as well. Again, why was she betrayed by Chloe? Or was in another way around?
Miyao and Meow are really hard to discuss because of Miayo being the main protagonist. Just two things... why did Miyao was destined to kill Koshka? I mean it's understandable with Lingji with them being from different sides but why Koshka? And when? In the "afterparty" of the phase one or will it be in the second phase? And the second thing is as follows - had Meow actually talked to her father at least once in this story?
And finally there's Jayden. Why did we see blue Jayden in the end? Who are those blue people anyway? Are they just programs in this VR-world - like, additional "personalities" loaded in the bodies of in-game humans? Are phases just reloads of this VR? Anyway, his blue appearance is suspicious as well.
To sum up, here is my theory. Chloevil is the mole. Her role was to stop Lilja from protecting Koshka from broken Miyao, who is remotely controlled by external forces. His normal personality overtaken in the end when the game stops, which is exactly at midnight (when the truce was announced) just like the game stopped at midnight in Umineko (mild Umineko spoilers).
Meanwhile, Gunhild, normal Chloe, Lilja and Koshka, among with Okonogi and probably someone else is part of special Geroy 4 squad, destined to stop the destruction of this world. Unfortunately, Gunhild was hacked, Chloe was overtaken by her evil personality somehow and that stopped Lilja. Despite all this Koshka actually succeed (?) only to be killed by Miyao in the end. Or something like this.
Of course there could easily be more 9th order spies in AOU. But I don't think author would break his rule about only one per faction.
Some other speculations about moles... remember that scene in the end when Sujatha contacted Miyao and asked to warn Lingji? Kind of suspicious. And it's strange that despite it was mentioned in tips that Mariana has multiple personalities, that weren't discussed in game, I think... just like Naomi's loss of emotions. So I want to say that my list of moles will probably be as follows - Chloe, Sujatha, Naomi and Mariana, although this is completely based on intuition and most likely wrong.
And now it's 5 am and my sugar rush is ending. Again, sorry for this mess of thoughts and mistakes..
Anyway, so glad to see you loved this Phase too!!
very good!!
finally someone else understood that gunhild is a good person xD
and that moment with her death is very interesting thing and its solvable right now
i hope you ll keep theorizing and find the answers
- Blue VR people (blue-Miyao and blue-Jayden) are entities who experienced the "factory" and "ascended" somehow, no longer existing in corporeal form. This possibly occurred at the end of WW3, or they somehow came back from the future, or we're in some time-loop. In either case their goal is probably to "harvest civilization", meaning to bring humanity to the state where they can process them into brains-in-a-jar as with that factory scene. Perhaps once humanity's P3 level is high enough to withstand the transition. That is why they want to stop the destruction of civilization brought about by the Three Kings.
It's possible that they used the "Door" that we see in the science facility to travel to the future somehow, and are now influencing the past.
I believe real-Miyao and CPP-Meow are the brother and sister we see in the factory scene, somehow merged into one body.
- Order of the Three Kings: these guys are on humanity's side, or at least, on the side of "naturalism". They want to stop humanity's technology from progressing to the point where they are harvested by the blue-people, and that's why they try to bring humanity back to the stone age.
- Split faction from the Three Kings: Touj, Sesshat, and perhaps Vier. They have their own secretive "order" working to undermine the Kings' plans but also to prevent the Blue VR People from harvesting humanity. They have some kind of plan involving Miyao. They want to reach a conclusion that's neither going back to the stone-age nor brain-jar world.
Sesshat clearly does not seem to be human; she might be a defector from the Blue People faction somehow given corporeal form. Or an ancient human that "evolved" using the Wisdoms. Or, she's a different kind of being entirely. Who knows?
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Who are the moles? I'm going to go on a limb here and say that it's the people who, according to their character description, have had "average" capabilities but somehow became ace gauntlet pilots. There's exactly one in every faction, and they are: Gunhild, Aysha, Naomi and Noor. Gunhild, at least, seems heavily hinted at. The reason her shields went down was because one of the other players wanted to get rid of her.
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Another possible theory is that Blue-Jayden and Blue-Miyao are two opposing players (both brought about by the "factory"), who both have different visions for humanity.
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"Maja" having two different contradictory fates hints at some parallel universe stuff. Maybe the universe is being simulated over and over until the "answer" is found? Or perhaps the Gunhild we see in that "Data Fragment" is somehow the "real" (pre-WW3? pre-simulation?) Gunhild...