Police Career

[Blutwolf83]

Has anybody tried the Police Career instead of the Trainer in Micks Gymn ?
The Gymn seemed logically to me as there are a lot of buffs related to it. And i'm totally fine with my decision just wondering if its same as beneficial to work at the police and close Micks Gymn

[Ted]

I didn't take it, but I'm wishing I did. The reward for fully completing a training session is more Old School points, while the reward for fully completing a police session is GPP. And I've got plenty of Old School points and no perks I want to buy, but I can never get enough GPP. It seems like there's a pretty big mechanical advantage to a career that gives you even more points to buy combat moves with, instead of non-combat perks.

[r.wardy]

In my first play through i also chose gym and i never trained with the neurotrainer.
Old School all the way. Story wise, that makes a lot of sense. But i totally agree that the GPP reward is far better. On the other hand, on a second play through i had a better understanding of the game mechanics and a clear goal what fighting school i want to focus on. I also abused Lil Bobo's hacking in the second league. GPP weren't really a problem anymore.

[Curiousfellow]

Micks gym requires you to buy gym equipment to progress. With the police, it's not only easier to get the 100 dollar bonus but the gpp bonus also makes it cheaper to challenge people to fights. The police is also linked to the sky appartment where you can get free energy bars eventually. All this makes the police job more optimal if you're trying to beat the game fast.

Even so, it's not like there's a reward for being fast, might as well smell the roses.

[Zen]

the first playthrough i did i had both gym and cop job and it ended up bricking my game. now ive gone through and done both and tried breaking the game with both jobs. If you want to accelerate to the end of the chapter choose cop. it literally gives you GGP per fight, almost as much as hacking. it will be the same as hacking after you get down to 2 day cooldowns instead of 3 days.

The gym is lackluster tbh. Sure you get some pretty decent equipment to work out on, but in the end its just a time burner. You have so much money if you show up to work everyday at this point it literally is irrelevant unless you like watching you character do reps.

The best part about the gym is the tapes, which are mostly for better workouts on new equipment or training your people faster. The best unlock of these hidden tapes ( there are 3 total with 3 unlocks each) is the one that makes it so all consumables you buy are cheaper. AGAIN pointless because at this point you have 2k+ GGP. or 10k+. Or whatever.

I think the best way to min max this game is to do both jobs as soon as you get access them and farm them before you activate the last league. It is kinda important to get the gym at least up and running so you can farm the extra tape points. Same can be said about studying for the cop thing because you need points to get better fighting techniques.
When you are ready to choose which 2nd tier job you want to finish the game with -progress the mom/apu quest line to where she is in the hospital; pick either gym or cop to help pay hospital bill and go from there. On ur first playthrough you might miss doing the mom quest like i did because you have to fill the bar for either the gym or cop to activate them offering to help pay for mom.

i hope that helped.

[I.T Drift]

How do you unlock the nice gym at micks place? I still can't figure it out.

[Evilyn Jordan]

try and find out 4 u self thats where the fun is discovering the game byself

[Zen]

So this is how i did it. I would only read this comment if you are achievement hunting or breaking the game or something, defiantly after a first run. Spoilers ahead

As soon as you open micks gyms and can start training ppl spam it as much as possible. hopefully you max your xp bar before you go into chapter 3. if not stall the game (idk if this process is necessary or not).
{you can do this by either not showing up to fights, throwing fights (like literally going into them strictly to max a skill then letting them KO you on purpose) or just letting the fight timer go by}. it seems like a big deal to lose ggp at first, but it isn't. all the points come back thru various methods like hacking or cop duty or both.

so the reason i say stall chapter 2 ending is because mom going to the hospital can only start in chapter 3. on my first run thru i didn't get the mom hospital scene until i literally was at 9k ggp fighting the last guy. i thought the 2 quests coincided with each other (you know, cliché last fight while mom is in the hospital{WIN THE FIGHT FOR MOM}). they don't. if you complete chapter 3 before getting help with the hospital payment you lock yourself out of leveling the cop or gym job to max. that happened to me.

so i stalled before chapter 3 on my latest run thru just to figure out what was going on (and i really wanted to fight this jai guy). maxed the gym xp bar before starting chapter 3. (and the cop bar too{did this because i wanted to do both with the same character on different saves}). i recruited like 6 guys at the gym total before the xp bar was full. once the xp bar was capped (on both jobs) i progressed the game by winning my last fight in 2nd division.

I made sure, however, that the mom quest was up to where it needed to be (which at this point was giving her ear plugs i think). Either way i was training the gym, doing police work, and trying to activate the mom scene before going to chapter 3. This resulted in both police and gym xp bars maxing and mom waiting for chapter 3 to start before she goes to the hospital.

Sleeping in chapter 3 will get you a call from your neighbor and he says your mom is in the hospital. From there you ask mick and the gym guys for help with payment and then you get to level up the gym exclusively for the rest of chapter 3.

*Something to note about asking for help with the payment is that it locks you out from doing ANY other jobs. You can't cook noodles, bend metal, or punch slimes anymore. This coupled with not getting money from police work could potentially stall you money wise so be ready for that. To alleviate this change in cash flow the devs made fights and gym cooldown periods 2 days instead of 3. There are plenty of other ways to exploit the fighting league in chapter 3 to make more money if you don't really want to stall your chapter 2, however this is what i did.

Once you have spoken with the gym about paying the hospital a new xp bar starts, and you can unlock 3 additional trainees to train with you if you buy the 2nd set of workout equipment from the russians (jump rope, sledge hammer w/ tire, and those gymnast bar things) if you ask the cop for repayment you get promoted and locked out of the gym quest line (I read somewhere that you can make the gym come back while being a cop but idk how that works).

Anyways, I wouldn't have posted this if information about this game was readily available. It isn't, yet. So here is how I did it.

[yutterh]

So i have done both and the police force is inferior. The gym has better equipment to train with and you can do both gym and neurotraining to get your stats up higher faster. The problem with neurotraing is you can only use it at a certain time and it has a cool down with both using the same one too much and getting a brain overload which lowers your stat gains and at higher your max food, energy and health. The Gym also has a awesome meditation mat which you get when you max it out, the police force gets donuts which regenerate slowly......I feel if it was at least unlimited then it would be comparable to the meditation mat. The GPP is cool but you will get that much eventually anyways and you can always use hacking to get more from the fights anyways so the extra GPP from police work is irrelevant. If you want to get the higher stats faster the gym is the best bet.

Oh and don't forget to use the workout mod and the neurotraining mod. The neurotraining mod can be removed at the gym lab for $15 and it is free to get. The training increase mods are great if you want to focus on one stat or you can get multiple to get a higher amount but not as high as just a single one mod. Alternating the neurotraining boost and the workout boost is the best way to grow stats quickly.

[Fringehunter7719]

Originally posted by yutterh:

The training increase mods are great if you want to focus on one stat or you can get multiple to get a higher amount but not as high as just a single one mod.

The training mods are weird (and probably bugged). If you buy all three you get half the benefit to every stat (20% increased gain, vs. 40% increased gain) and none of the penalty (none have the -20% penalty).

If you buy three and then delete one two of your stats have +40% and one has -20%, instead of having one with +40% and two with -20% which is what happens if you just buy one.

[yutterh]

Originally posted by Fringehunter7719:

Originally posted by yutterh:

The training increase mods are great if you want to focus on one stat or you can get multiple to get a higher amount but not as high as just a single one mod.

The training mods are weird (and probably bugged). If you buy all three you get half the benefit to every stat (20% increased gain, vs. 40% increased gain) and none of the penalty (none have the -20% penalty).

If you buy three and then delete one two of your stats have +40% and one has -20%, instead of having one with +40% and two with -20% which is what happens if you just buy one.

Thanks for the math work dude. Also I don't think they are bugged, cause your still getting 120%, I think its great if you just want to focus on two stats and keep the third (*couch*strength) slowed down, that's a great strategy too. If you focus on one you get the extra 20% and can be real beneficial when your trying to go past 30 in a stat. I think it adds to the stat leveling system rather then hinders it.

[Zen]

Originally posted by yutterh:

So i have done both and the police force is inferior. The gym has better equipment to train with and you can do both gym and neurotraining to get your stats up higher faster. The problem with neurotraing is you can only use it at a certain time and it has a cool down with both using the same one too much and getting a brain overload which lowers your stat gains and at higher your max food, energy and health. The Gym also has a awesome meditation mat which you get when you max it out, the police force gets donuts which regenerate slowly......I feel if it was at least unlimited then it would be comparable to the meditation mat. The GPP is cool but you will get that much eventually anyways and you can always use hacking to get more from the fights anyways so the extra GPP from police work is irrelevant. If you want to get the higher stats faster the gym is the best bet.

Oh and don't forget to use the workout mod and the neurotraining mod. The neurotraining mod can be removed at the gym lab for $15 and it is free to get. The training increase mods are great if you want to focus on one stat or you can get multiple to get a higher amount but not as high as just a single one mod. Alternating the neurotraining boost and the workout boost is the best way to grow stats quickly.

Realistically, on your first run thru the gym is far superior imo too. Getting stats where you want them is key to consistently win fights more so then techniques, especially when you don't really fully understand game mechanics like how initiative works with regards to striking or skipping striking. Also always get qi concentration in the blue tree or the superior version in the green tree (i forget the name of it) because it literally increases energy return when not striking). I wouldn't say it is vital, but it helps for sure, especially if you like to blow your load in the first round and teeter on 0 energy in rounds 2 thru 5. (looking at you lazy bear tree bois)

My explanation in the previous post was a little bias towards the police for a few reasons, one being i was going over the 9k ggp cap (thus buying like 2/3s of the fighting abilities when you are usually only allowed 1/3 if you play the game normally). the reason for doing this was because i was experimenting on Jai to see what is the most effective against a literal unbeatable opponent. What i found was the red tree gets smoked unless you can out dmg him somehow (not sure how this is possible because Jai literally goes off your stats), blue tree is RNG most leaning towards catching a heavy smiling Buddha in the teeth for 3/4's your hp, and green tree does what green tree does, out stam him and make him fall over, alot.

Lets be honest. The meditation mat is hands down the most JACKED BROKEN OP POS thing in the game and i love it. its works with pizza (not necessary tho), it works with slime sandwiches, it works with any block of food + exercise combo u can imagine. you become a machine once they put that mat in your office. plus you show up to train and literally do like 3 punch/kick exercises or like 4 training routines and ur capped, go meditate for like 10 seconds, eat 2 or 3 things of food and blamo, full bars. it feels good.

the cop is a little more nuanced: lot of watching tv to pass time because its true you are locked out of the good gym equipment (you could always go back to work and use their crappy exercise machines, but dont f up the donut rotation). a cop life is all about getting zapped in the day, sleeping at night (or watching tv), and the odd fight that you do here and there with some occasional police brutality.

im just gonna say it, the free donut loop just feels like college algebra. (do i eat my donuts after work or before/they dont cap my happiness and i hate that/why am i such a sad cop)

and the ggp is literally irrelevant like yutterh said. it only serves as a breakpoint for the amount of skills you get. there is a cap (which you can move if u like) but it is there and once you reach it (beating the final fight in chapter 3) you dont get any more ggp from fighting. You can however get ggp from spaming cop work after chapter 3. but its virtually pointless since you have nothing to use it on and your next fight is literally in VR. On top of all this no one really mentions, but cop duty literally makes your game harder by forcing you to fight higher ranked opponents faster than the gym route. You end up with less stats in each subsequent fight because you don't get to work out as much in between fights and the machines you have access to are weaker and you don't get tapes to make them return even better than normal.

Gym>Cop Duty in regards to 99.9% of game. that .1% Cop Duty has comes in when trying to either break the game or experiment with more ggp than ur suppose to have. you can do this by pushing the highest fighter's ggp up by always losing to him and just going back to work the next day. losing the fight takes 50 ggp, working with max returns gets you 100ggp. so you incrementally go up 50 ggp every 2 days.

I was going to leave the spoiler thing out but it is a lot of info I wouldn't want someone to see who wasn't actively looking for it.

[Curiousfellow]

The way I see it, it's like this: If you're trying to be fast, being a cop is faster. You don't need to buy gym equipment and the gpp bonus speeds things along. And if you're not trying to be fast, you'll get where you're going no matter how you go about it.

[Blastaz]

Originally posted by ZenLogic:

So this is how i did it. I would only read this comment if you are achievement hunting or breaking the game or something, defiantly after a first run. Spoilers ahead

As soon as you open micks gyms and can start training ppl spam it as much as possible. hopefully you max your xp bar before you go into chapter 3. if not stall the game (idk if this process is necessary or not).
{you can do this by either not showing up to fights, throwing fights (like literally going into them strictly to max a skill then letting them KO you on purpose) or just letting the fight timer go by}. it seems like a big deal to lose ggp at first, but it isn't. all the points come back thru various methods like hacking or cop duty or both.

so the reason i say stall chapter 2 ending is because mom going to the hospital can only start in chapter 3. on my first run thru i didn't get the mom hospital scene until i literally was at 9k ggp fighting the last guy. i thought the 2 quests coincided with each other (you know, cliché last fight while mom is in the hospital{WIN THE FIGHT FOR MOM}). they don't. if you complete chapter 3 before getting help with the hospital payment you lock yourself out of leveling the cop or gym job to max. that happened to me.

so i stalled before chapter 3 on my latest run thru just to figure out what was going on (and i really wanted to fight this jai guy). maxed the gym xp bar before starting chapter 3. (and the cop bar too{did this because i wanted to do both with the same character on different saves}). i recruited like 6 guys at the gym total before the xp bar was full. once the xp bar was capped (on both jobs) i progressed the game by winning my last fight in 2nd division.

I made sure, however, that the mom quest was up to where it needed to be (which at this point was giving her ear plugs i think). Either way i was training the gym, doing police work, and trying to activate the mom scene before going to chapter 3. This resulted in both police and gym xp bars maxing and mom waiting for chapter 3 to start before she goes to the hospital.

Sleeping in chapter 3 will get you a call from your neighbor and he says your mom is in the hospital. From there you ask mick and the gym guys for help with payment and then you get to level up the gym exclusively for the rest of chapter 3.

*Something to note about asking for help with the payment is that it locks you out from doing ANY other jobs. You can't cook noodles, bend metal, or punch slimes anymore. This coupled with not getting money from police work could potentially stall you money wise so be ready for that. To alleviate this change in cash flow the devs made fights and gym cooldown periods 2 days instead of 3. There are plenty of other ways to exploit the fighting league in chapter 3 to make more money if you don't really want to stall your chapter 2, however this is what i did.

Once you have spoken with the gym about paying the hospital a new xp bar starts, and you can unlock 3 additional trainees to train with you if you buy the 2nd set of workout equipment from the russians (jump rope, sledge hammer w/ tire, and those gymnast bar things) if you ask the cop for repayment you get promoted and locked out of the gym quest line (I read somewhere that you can make the gym come back while being a cop but idk how that works).

Anyways, I wouldn't have posted this if information about this game was readily available. It isn't, yet. So here is how I did it.

I extended my game the other way, I didn’t start the chapter 2 league by never going to see uncle Barry.

Instead I just spent a lot of time working and earning money. I maxed out all three chapter 1 jobs and nearly maxed out both Cop and Gym jobs before I started my first Second League fight and the main Chapter 2 story. From there it was a basic stroll to the end, with me using my huge cash reserve to not sleep and train through the night in the gym over statting any fight I had.

The downside was that I was GPP capped while I was just working as there was no real way to earn them, but didn’t really have too many fights, where that mattered other than the tough cop fights, Rorshack was a pain.