Is forge of souls actually worth it?

[wulfster42]

So I put a few points in just to test it out, but it seems to increase efficiency by 1% or so per point (And each point costs more souls).

Since you already base the effectiveness by # of souls you have, the increase seems very minor if it's even a positive gain, since your having less total souls per point invested.

Not really seeing how the forge is a bonus or positive at all.

Do like the higher difficulty, although I still was able to basically 1 shot everything without a hp multiplier through 70,

Just not really feeling the forge at all, anyone have other experiences?

[wulfster42]

Hmm, interesting, I'll have to check them out a bit more. Thanks.

[rob_s_cat2]

well, for those that use wind mask, forge is useless on autoclick (this can be taken literally).
damage and crit are not so useful for me, both lower the speed by more than they give back even for me with my hundred+ souls, lower players wouldn't be using these any time soon with confidence of gaining out of the exchange.
poison is so close to black barred on wind mask for me it's not really needed to go higher, and e27 range at 70 is the same as e27 range at 50, but with 50 more xp levels, so forge is no use to me currently at all.

the research continues. i'll make use of it for damage upgrading some time soon i think, but not right now.

[Aisolon]

Putting just one soul upgrade into crit and damage doubles the value from 1 to 2 (for people with serpent constellation complete, crit goes from 3 to 4, not as good as damage, but still good), with minimal speed loss, since the square root calculation of soul speed has heavy diminishing returns.
I went from 6.48% progress per second on damage/crit to 6.32% per second spending those 2 souls. Thats pretty much nothing, considering value literally doubles.

[wulfster42]

Yeah damage seems worth it, if you still use damage at least. Primary problem was only ones I used were autoclick and poison, and that is still the case even at the end of a galaxy with 70 levels (although i'm not using hp multipliers anymore).

I also only have like 52 souls total, but yeah boosting damage once or twice is probably worth it. Crit ....might be worth 1 point (for a 33% increase basically).

Most just are not worth it sadly. The change to 70 levels does make runs longer, but not significantly harder (though I do actually have to crit near the end). It also boosts the amount of wax you can get per run significantly though which is kinda cool.

Considering you will need to do those extra level while running with multipliers for curses, and that I have not done a curse shard/raw shard etc with the 70 levels yet, I do think the difficulty has been added sufficiently to use at least what we have now, and perhaps to use things that are added in the future as well:)

That is good news. I am a bit curious about the ability to go back to previous galaxies. Do you get new souls for those galaxies for defeating bosses?

There was some bug or something with this last shard I finished, it was a new shard, but there was no bosses in it at all (so didn't get any shards for defeating them). I'm about to go and try the next shard and see if bosses are in it or not.

[rob_s_cat2]

i use damage where others use poison, only because poison doesn't affect magic damage and i use magic for aoe cover quite extensively. i'm going to work on a spreadsheet to optimise souls for both damage and crit when i get the time. unfortunately, due to the nature of thr work i'm doing at the moment, that won't be until next weekend. this weekend i'm busy with other commitments.

[wulfster42]

I don't use poison souls anymore either, just autoclick. I have 10 skill points per level now, and all the +stat rings (Although sometimes i just use them for extra max).

I toss 10 points into the first poison skill and 5 into the second and that still gets alot of poison on a boss fast, but they all die so fast it doesn't really matter anyway.

I max out dex, grab march, change to werewolf, pump strength up to campfire, use rings to get from campfire to the 250% damage boost, add 4 points in to that (Free, doesn't stop your weapon from leveling up till 5), which maximizes my time without needing crits to kill.

When I get to stage 60+ I just finish pumping up the 250% strength one and just fly through.

That is all without hp multi, but I don't need anymore hp multi.

[wulfster42]

This next shard is the next to last in a long galaxy, and cursed, so I may need to actually use damage/crit souls (but probably not).

Cursed isn't really going to hinder me too much. Now RAW....that will change things up and i'll prob need to use souls to finish it as my rings add a ton (+6 stats gone and all that damage and crit multi!!).

I can make up for the damage and crit with damage souls and crit souls pretty easy actually, but the +6 stats on the top end are gonna reduce how many points I can put into everything. I may need to do more then 2 setup runs and get my wax multipliers higher for the first late galaxy raw shard I do.

Course by then I'll probably have boosted more stuff and be stronger anyway. I have enough skill points even if the rest of the strength and wolfy stuff gets added, so I'm prob gonna focus on damage multipliers and ruby multipliers a bit with future shards. I only have like 4 upgrades in each of them right now.

[rob_s_cat2]

so i just added another bar. nice, can have the souls doing two things at once, or three, but for now it's not worth it even for me to get the third bar.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2168393441

so yeah, forge is worth it. in a nice little twist, forge being worth it also makes homecoming worth it, which makes getting more skulls worth it.

[wulfster42]

Do you get the extra bar from finishing the second part of the picture? I still have a way to go before I do that.

[rob_s_cat2]

the first extra bar is a 40 shard cost, the second an 80 shard cost. but... doing 3 things at once with souls... when i get the third (when it becomes worthwhile around the 2nd homecoming), i'll almost never have to change souls for anything. set one for damage, set one on learn skills, set one on crit damage, set lv 2 for all the skills i want learned and come back tomorrow. i'm already with 2 bars not rebirthing before resist, and so far haven't got above 1.0 flame multi from it, even with collecting bats and eyes, but that just highlights another, older, problem that a few players have come across.

[wulfster42]

How doyou use homecomming, I don't even see an option? I see you can go back to earlier galaxies, but didn't try that.

To get 40+ souls to use by continuing forward would take a very long time for sure. I have 51 of em left, so if I spent em, i'd only have 11....not worth it for an extra bar.

[rob_s_cat2]

homecoming is exactly that going back to earlier galaxies through the light tunnel thing on the far left of the system map before the first shard. if you're going to use the forge, do so before using homecoming though, you won't be able to for a while after until you get to the next part of that picture thingy again

[Phigl]

Originally posted by rob_s_cat2:

the first extra bar is a 40 shard cost, the second an 80 shard cost. but... doing 3 things at once with souls... when i get the third (when it becomes worthwhile around the 2nd homecoming), i'll almost never have to change souls for anything. set one for damage, set one on learn skills, set one on crit damage, set lv 2 for all the skills i want learned and come back tomorrow. i'm already with 2 bars not rebirthing before resist, and so far haven't got above 1.0 flame multi from it, even with collecting bats and eyes, but that just highlights another, older, problem that a few players have come across.

First bar is a 40 shard cost, but where? How do I buy it for 40 shards? I'm probably too early in the game for it, but want to know when that option shows up.

[phenir]

You buy it at the forge of souls which shows up at around 150 knowledge points, you'll see it on the screen that appears after going through the black hole where it tallies your knowledge points.

[Mo43]

can anyone explain me how can i actually get to that forge of souls , im way past it and nothing in galaxy seems clickable , im maybe im just blind , this game is a mess regarding description/directions etc.